Interesting Take On Cuban Cigars
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I would take everything said with a grain of salt. There are four different growing regions in Cuba, each of them with unique weather and soil characteristics. A specific varietal grown in Vuelta Abajo is going to have distinct characteristics compared to that same plant grown in the Vuelta Arriba region. Anyone that has studied any amount of horticulture understands how a 1% different in nitrogen levels in the soil can have quite an impact on that plant.
It could be reasoned that several of the regular production lines utilize the same "blend" of specific primings. Where each plant came from, how long the tobacco was aged before rolling, the year it was harvested, etc will all impact the final product.
Do I believe his words as they are written? yes. Do I believe the story that he is trying to convey? No. Think of his article like a Prosecution attorney asking a defendant a series of questions that will elicit a response that is favorable to their case. He's doing the same thing with his story.
It could be reasoned that several of the regular production lines utilize the same "blend" of specific primings. Where each plant came from, how long the tobacco was aged before rolling, the year it was harvested, etc will all impact the final product.
Do I believe his words as they are written? yes. Do I believe the story that he is trying to convey? No. Think of his article like a Prosecution attorney asking a defendant a series of questions that will elicit a response that is favorable to their case. He's doing the same thing with his story.
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Oh, and all the airplanes are made with the same parts, just different sizes. They just build planes by throwing parts together and call it 777 or a 747 depending on what size it ends up as.
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Oh, and all the airplanes are made with the same parts, just different sizes. They just build planes by throwing parts together and call it 777 or a 747 depending on what size it ends up as.
Obviously, Airbus makes better planes now."
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Ducttapegonewild
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BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
I couldn't give any weight to this report as biased as it is....one mans take on any cigar is open to speculation unless he owns the actual fields or the manufacturing processes of what he's talking about. Too many holes in the report to justify it being serious and those of us who smoke CC's know by taste if what he's saying is accurate.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
LOL!
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Tobacco crops usually thrive when there is rotation involved...Soil structure is improved with rotation, thus allowing better root development, greater water infiltration, and reduced soil erosion and any farmer knows this going into whatever crops are being planted.
Exactly.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
LOL, says the guy that hasn't been to Cuba and talks about his knowledge coming from how he has imagined it.
So please explain to me your theory that cuban cigars are not blended. You for real can tell me that factories make one single Robusto cigar, then sort by color, then put in different Marca (brand) boxes. All one shade goes into a Partagas SD4 box, then next shades go into Bolivar RC, then next to Cohiba Robusto, then next ERDM Choix etc. And cuban cigar smokers aren't really tasting different flavors in cigars, they are just being tricked because of the different bands on the cigars. Please confirm that's what you believe so everyone is clear.
Do you know why cigars are sorted by color after they are rolled and before being put in boxes? I do. And it's the same reason in Cuba, Nicaragua, the DR etc.
I agree. I think they're doing the best with what they have but I also think if the government put more money into it they could do more. More fields, bigger stocks of aging tobaccos, that sort of thing. Obviously with the way things work its not that simple but if it were to happen I can't see it being a bad thing.
I think it is funny that he makes a deal out of fields being rotated with produce. That is pretty much standard procedure for every tobacco farmer.
http://tobaccofarmquarterly.com/crop-rotations/
It helps to actually know what you're talking about before you claim to be an expert.
http://tobaccofarmquarterly.com/crop-rotations/
It helps to actually know what you're talking about before you claim to be an expert.
This is exaxtly what I was trying to clarify, except I don't speak good England. I just cannot see how this can be the case. I can't see whoevers dealing with the boxing and banding going "which boxes do we have lots of today, PSD4 and RASS, let's fill 'em up".
Somebody, somewhere, surely would have noticed by now if any marcas were simply the same cigars with different bands.
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This is me. I work in a small family-owned manufacturing business, and while I do love my cigars, it's American industry (and good ol' fashioned capitalism) that not only allows me to afford cigars, but also to do better for myself and my child, than I would be able to do if I were living on government dole, with no opportunity to advance in life.
Now, I won't readily scoff at communist industry - look at what the Soviets did in WW2; they turned out a massive war machine when they had to, that solidified them as a world power for the next 40 years - but hey, where's the Soviet Union now? (Not hating on Russia, or anyone from Russia - just saying, look how communism worked out over there...) Ever read Atlas Shrugged? This guy could easily pass as Ayn Rand, based solely on some parts of his editorial...
So yes, I'm inclined to believe (at least some of) what the guy is saying, because of my own predispositions. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
This is actually one thing that I found easy to believe - not that the fields aren't cared for, but that he witnessed flowers on plants and suckers on the ground. How many folks here grow a garden? And how many of us pull weeds every single day? He says the flowers havn't been clipped and the suckers havn't been pulled - I suspect they just havn't been clipped or pulled yet.
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Oh boy... really not trying to start a flame war here, but with all due respect, have you been there yourself?
And, would you please enlighten me on this, or point me in the right direction? I'm no expert, so this would be new knowledge for me...
Wow. I expected an in depth write up not this silly housewife gossip.
Thanks for the link, but this guy's 4th grade essay about his trip to cuba is hardly worth the attention we're giving it.
Thanks for the link, but this guy's 4th grade essay about his trip to cuba is hardly worth the attention we're giving it.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Can you imagine how much better CC's would be if they adhered to general crop implementation/rotation with the soil content they already have there...blows my mind to think about what little investment of simple farming concepts could change an already great cigar.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
Yes I've been to Nicaragua and Cuba. And Paul answered other question.