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It pains me to say that my time with the Brotherhood is drawing to a close. I want to thank everyone here for there generous support and friendship. The kindness and generosity I discovered here has been unlike anything I have seen anywhere.

Unfortunately, my uncle was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer. The doctor told him it would be easier to list where he didn't have cancer. This prompted a look into my family history. The sad truth is that cancer is the leading cause of death on my paternal side and has claimed nearly everyone on my maternal grandmother's side. Basically my family's predisposition is much higher than average. So, I talked to my doctor.

It appears at this point that I am fine. However, he did note changes in my respiratory rate and oxygen saturation levels that he feels may be linked to my increased consumption of cigars. For my health and the well being of my family I am choosing to quit smoking cigars. I have about a dozen or so left and when they're gone I will be done.

Thank you again to everyone here that proved to be so friendly and generous. I will be missing you guys.
 

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Damn it Mike, I sure hate to here this. I still owe you a payback bomb too. I completely understand though, you gotta do what's best for your health. Be sure to stop by every now and then to keep in touch, brother. You'll be sorely missed
 
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So sorry to hear this. I wish a peaceful close to your uncles time here. Hopefully his remaining time will be well spent.
As for your decision I can completely understand. You must do what you have to for your health and your family.
I know it would be very difficult to hang around this group and quit so I will not urge you to. But should you find yourself needing to talk or needing anything, please check back in with us. As was said earlier, we are a brotherhood and we run deeper than tobacco.
Take care brother.
 
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Mike, it has been a pleasure to get to know you on these boards. I respect your decision and wish you the very best that life has to offer.
 
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Obviously we all welcome you here any time, but I also understand that reading about others indulging can be very tempting.

Everyone here should hope to have the self control and awareness to make this kind of decision.

I don't know of any smokers in my lineage, but I don't know of anyone who has died of any cancer on either side. This doesn't help much to ease my mind, though.
 
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Our thoughts and prayers are with you, your uncle and the rest of your family.

The decision to make a life change is never easy. I wish you great strength as you make this change.

As others have said, this site is about more than just smoking cigars. I also understand how hard life changes can be if you do not completely remove yourself from the culture. Whatever you decide know botl will always be here for you.
 
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It pains me to say that my time with the Brotherhood is drawing to a close. I want to thank everyone here for there generous support and friendship. The kindness and generosity I discovered here has been unlike anything I have seen anywhere.

Unfortunately, my uncle was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer. The doctor told him it would be easier to list where he didn't have cancer. This prompted a look into my family history. The sad truth is that cancer is the leading cause of death on my paternal side and has claimed nearly everyone on my maternal grandmother's side. Basically my family's predisposition is much higher than average. So, I talked to my doctor.

It appears at this point that I am fine. However, he did note changes in my respiratory rate and oxygen saturation levels that he feels may be linked to my increased consumption of cigars. For my health and the well being of my family I am choosing to quit smoking cigars. I have about a dozen or so left and when they're gone I will be done.

Thank you again to everyone here that proved to be so friendly and generous. I will be missing you guys.
Sir, I'm not a doctor so my argument at this point is sheer discussion. I also want to offer my prayers for your uncle. That said, doctors are not medical masters, in fact, I've found most to simply be advanced at playing the 'memory' game. They see a few symptoms and they identify the combination as a condition.

You went to ask your doctor if you had risk factors, and told him you smoked cigars. Even if he had no idea why your respiratory rate or oxygen levels may be low, you told him what he was going to tell you.

What he didn't tell you is that most studies completed, since the 1960's mind you, have shown cigar smokers that don't inhale and smoke less than 5 cigars per day have no increased risks over non smokers. He also didn't even consider that caffeine may be the greater cause of an increased heart rate, but even those effects are just as short lived as nicotine on the body. Regarding your oxygen saturation, if you inhale, by all means, stop. If you don't, then you have to ask what other things were considered. Did he compare you to what you "should" be because of your age? Was it low enough that he should recommend you see a pulmonologist to eliminate asthma as a factor? Did your doc find enough concern in those numbers to follow through or did he prey on your concerns and just tell you what he wanted, thinking he was doing a good thing? Did he tell you that lack of exercise is just as likely a solution for those concerns and that some regular cardiovascular exercise would do you good?

Many people dismiss the fact that cigars, if smoked occasionally and not inhaled are a wonderful method of eliminating stress. Even the Surgeon General in the 60's, the same one that said to to 5 sticks a day was okay, mentioned this. Stress is a higher risk factor for many more things than you'd imagine.

What your doctor may not know, or isn't telling you is that research in the past several years have begun to show the greatest cancer risks occur in our diets. It's been known for decades that cancer cells feed primarily on glucose. The recent school of thought is that if you have consistent higher levels of blood sugar, that puts you at a higher risk of cancer. You don't even need to be overweight or obese to carry high blood sugar levels, it's all in how your hormones work. If I were in your family that would be the first change I would make.

Before I finish I want to say this. You obviously have concerns based on your family risks. I applaud you for taking these seriously and having the desire to reduce those risks for the sake of yourself and your family. You take these risks far greater to the heart than most people, even those who have been personally affected by their bad habits (example : an obese person being told they're developing type ii diabetes yet continuing to overeat and makes no effort to lose weight)

You need to do everything you can to reduce those risks, and I'm not telling you to ignore something that may be a legitimate risk. You and your doctors know more of your situation than I do. But I hate it when people in positions of authority tell people things that they've chosen to tell them based on their biases or personal opinions and not due to the relevant situation. If I was you and my doctor gave me a simple checkup based on my concerns and didn't dig any deeper than that, I'd find another doctor. You went there to eliminate specific risks, he sent you away with a generic recommendation without even examining if those mild concerns may be caused by direct, legitimate concerns.

My rant is done, whatever you choose, for whatever the reasons, they're yours. Good luck in your future endeavors brother.
 
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My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family, especially your uncle @Mikenice81. It's never easy to hear of that "C" word. Especially after 2 family members of mine have had it. And of course me working in the medical field also. If I had to go that route that you are, I'd miss the brotherhood I've developed here and probably would lose my mind having withdrawls from not popping in to check things out and stir up trouble. But I'm sure you developed many friendships in your time here and have had much fun bombing the brothers and all that other BOTL madness that erupts in this crazy place lol. Whatever your decision comes down to, pop in some time and say hi. Don't be a stranger.
 
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My condolonces and prayers for your family and you Mike. I applaud your decision to place your family and your well being ahead of your personal desires. It isn't an easy decision and it does not look like you made the decision lightly, but if it were me I would consider a second opinion from a different doctor just to be very thorough and because I am not sure I would have the will to just quit. I don't smoke much, 2-3 sticks and 1-2 pipe bowls per week on average, but the relaxation and releif they provide me can be a lifesaver when I'm stressed and y'all here are family.
 

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Brother, if there is anything we can do for you - let us know. Staying involved with BOTL (albeit without a cigar in your mouth) is important. Why? Because we are Brothers - yes, of the "leaf", but more importantly, of the heart. Stay here, talk, discuss, interact and meet up with people - even if you are not smoking. We want you here, with us, with or without a cigar.

I applaud your decision to stop smoking. Even if there is "some" or just a moderate risk involved, it may be too much to continue with a clear conscience.... as it relates to your ability to be 100% for your family. Take a longer break, see if it was the cigars (alone) that might be the cause of your recent test results. If at some point you determine that it's not, and cigar smoking has no negative affect on your state of mind or body, perhaps reconsider.... but only then.

We are our thoughts. And if this is the decision that is going to help you in the best way, right now - then it is a good one.

Peace bro!
 
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Condolences about your uncle, and props to you for being proactive. As has already been said a number of times, this place is not just about the leaf. I came for some cigar knowledge and have stayed for the Brothers. Stay positive and you'll be ahead of the game. Sending you positive vibes.
 
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Mike, I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. Here's hoping that you'll consider sticking around or at least dropping in from time to time, even if you don't smoke anymore. Take care, brother.
 
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Damn it Mike, I sure hate to here this. I still owe you a payback bomb too. I completely understand though, you gotta do what's best for your health. Be sure to stop by every now and then to keep in touch, brother. You'll be sorely missed
Thanks for the kind words. If you still feel the need to send a thank you bomb, send it out to Zippo. I still owe him for the birthday cigars he sent.

Thank you for all the kind words guys. I will try to roll through from time to time. I just need to take time to help eliminate the temptation. I will peek in from time to time.
 
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