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Hi BOTLS,

The other day i was having a Joya De Nicaragua Dark Antano Corojo and the head of the cigar got a bit to wet accidentally and i wiped it with a tissue and i saw there was some brown shade/colour on the tissue.

Is this normal. I have had this experience before with a RP Decade too. Both are amazing cigars and i love the flavours that both provide.

I have heard hearsay about some companies and especially the big ones with really nice flavour bomb cigars being suspected of colouring wrappers and infusing flavours in their cigars. I am not talking about the labelled Flavoured Cigars (like ACID), i am asking about the normal ones like LIGA Undercrown, UF-13, JOYA De Nicaragua 1970, Le Bijoux etc.

Is there any truth in colouring of the wrappers done to make them dark or change their taste and for the cigars to provide more varied flavours, as the wrapped i have read provides most of the flavour and taste.

I am sorry if this topic has been beaten to death before, i tries searching and found nothing so started the thread to hear your more experienced opinions and views. And provide me some clarity on this, so i can smoke all my favourites without worries.

Thank you in advance.
 

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Here's a post from @Clint in another thread from a long time ago. He's quoting @ssaka, former president of Drew Estate, and current owner/president/ceo/regional sales directer (read: everything) of Dunbarton Tobacco & Trust. I think the text came from some older forums no longer around, but the information is relevant and interesting...

The following is some GREAT information on wrappers provided by Steve Saka, President of Drew Estate cigars (Dirty Rat, Flying Pig, Liga Privada #9 &, T52, etc.)

"Maduro is a color designation but it is also a reference to specific
varieties of air cured black tobaccos which require longer fermentation
at a high bulk temp. For example, most habano seed capas will seldom be
allowed to exceed 110 degrees in a bulk, while some CT Broadleaf will
require temps over a 125 degrees to just get it going. So while any
cigar can be maduro in color, true maduro cigars are ones wrapped with
CT Broadleaf, Penn Broadleaf, San Andreas Negra, Costa Rican Morron,
Brazilian Matafina, Aripriaca, etc. So it is important that just
because a cigar may be maduro in color, it does not mean it is actually
a cigar with Maduro wrapper.

Each variety of maduro capa has it own specific traits, for example CT
Broadleaf is a very large, elephant shaped leaf with an inherent
natural sweetness and an absolute pain in the ass to work with on the
floor, while Aripriaca is long and thin, very elastic and extremely
spicy - these are the typicals not the not always.

When you work with maduro capas on bench, they must be incredibly wet
to handle. In fact, cigars rolled with maduro capa must be done on a
metal tabla vs. the traditional wood one you see in almost all cigar
rolling photos. The also require special wicking (drying) right after
their manufacture in order to prevent flat faces and streaking before
being place in the traditonal escapartes. Another unique trait of
maduro cigars is they almost always shrink at least one ring size, ie.
you use 52 ring mold, but after 60+ days of aging the will almost
always be 51 (and sometimes 50) in gauge. Some makers use larger molds,
ie. a 54 to make 52s, while others like ourselves just list the
original mold size on our frontmarks.

As for modifying the color, there is a variety of ways of achieving this, naturally and artificially.

1) Naturally - by leaving the tobacco in the pilon/bulk longer and/or
allowing to ferment at higher temperatures before each turn of the bulk.

2) Naturally - by bale resting the tobacco for 6 months plus after
fermentation - this doesn't typically change the hue as much as it
evens the color out to the darkerest shade on the leave achieved in the
bulk.

3) Naturally - utilizing water in which tobacco stems have been allowed
to steep for sometimes weeks as the water added to the bulk for the
purposes of fermentation. This is a very time honored, Cuban practice
which not only results in a darker leaf, but also a spicier one.

4) Steaming - also called cooking or steeping. This is not achieved in
some giant vat like some of the posters have written, doing so would
destroy the leaf. Rather it is done in a small vessel typically 10
gallons in size to which steam is applied for approximately 60 minutes.
This technique is not only done to achieve a very dark color, it also
mellows the tobacco out making it much mellower and milder to smoke.

5) Painiting - this is done by typically achieved by wiping down the
cigar gently after it has been constructed with some sort of mixture.
This can be done wither Naturally or Artificially - some are recipes
that are all natural just using the oils from the stems or picadura or
the are artificial ones that contain coloring agents. Again there is a
long history of the natural methodology, the artificial stuff really
only came into practice within the premium industry during the boom.

6) Maduro-Matic - this is a name use to describe technique #5 but done
with a machine in which the wrapper is passed through roller s. Almost
always the coloring used it artificial.

There are other techniques, but the above covers the bulk of the methods employed.

Obviously the natural techniques are a-ok, so I believe the primary
concern as a consumer is the artificial ones. The question is how can
you tell the difference?

First off it is done really well, it is very hard for someone who
doesn't really intimately know tobaccos and how to manufacture cigars
to tell the difference.

Just having some dark stains come off the wrapper alone is -NOT- a fair
indicator, because all natural maduro wrappers will cause staining to
the skin with moisture due to their inherent oiliness. If you ever have
to opportunity to visit a cigar factory, just look at the hands of the
workers, unlike the manicure perfect hands shown in the pictures in
magazines and books, every worker's hands are stained, even those
working with BW color shade leaf. And those rolling maduro, their hands
are sometime near black! Everyone just stages those photos, we pick out
a pretty rollera with nice hands, she washes up, we clean up the bench,
etc. etc. just to make a pretty picture. Fwiw, it tough to even take
good pictures of people rolling cigars because they move too fast and
their hands are in the way, so 99% of the photos everyone see are
posed...

Also if you ever happen to be in any cigar factory, just because you
see someone wiping down a cigar with a sponge do not assume they are
dying the wrapper. Almost all factories regularly wipe their finished
cigars gently with water (except those with blonde wrappers which are
wipe dry with a soft cloth) to remove dust and/or any debris. And that
little water bowl's content become quite brown after just wiping a
couple of dozen sticks.

So it is not uncommon that from a really oil maduro for you to be able
to get staining while you smoke or if you were to wipe the cigar along
a sheet of paper.

However, there typically is a difference in the staining, a certain hue
and depth to it. I really cannot explain it in text, but someone with
true tobacco experience can tell.

One of the best ways for the consumer to tell if the wrapper has been artificially colored is the following:

Is the wrapper too perfect? The color is always even everywhere with no
color difference in the veins or texture, is the wrapper always extra
extra dark, does it seem to stain far more than other cigars. Now if
you think it is painted, well this is pretty easy to check.. peel the
wrapper off, look at its underside, almost all capas will be a
SIGNIFICANTLY different hue on the underside. Now don't confuse slight
difference because the oil always migrate to the exterior, so the
exterior will always be shinier - keep this in mind.

When it comes to steamed leaf the color will appear the same on both
sides, however it will always be nearly jet black and the actually
grain of the leaf will be matte. Sometimes if it is really over steamed
you will even notice a slight greyness when you reflect light across
its surface. But again, don't confuse the grey of a cigar with plume
vs. one that is due to steaming.

I hope this provides everyone with some info to assist in making your
own judgements, but at the same time I ask that people exercise
judgement when they start claiming such and such a cigar is
artificially darkened. Please understand that this is our livelihood
and false accusations not only can be parroted, but very damaging and
unjustly so.

At Drew Estate we only employ the natural #1 and #2 techniques
described above..."

Hope this helps!
 
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Yeah. Companies definitely dye some of the wrappers to make the maduro look more appealing and dark. I think the most notorious of all is the nc cohiba black. The wrapper should not be that dark and I have read several times that they dye it for presentation.
 
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Many also do it to ensure even transition of color throughout the stick... I've had color transfer to my fingers when the stick warms up... it's unfortunate ... but that's why you should consider smoking hand rolled blends from more organic rollers like us ... just sayin ;) ~xox
 
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It can also bee the oils from the tobacco leeching off of the leaf. Not every instance of getting your fingers a little brown or the color changing is evidence of dying.

Also, for adding flavors, it could be happening. There is an old Cuban technique called petuning. Basically they spray a mixture on the leaves before fermenting (or sweating) them than brings out the natural flavor and smooths the tobacco. A lot of times it would be a mix of vanilla, water, and rum. If they were dealing with subsandard tobacco it might be a mixture of made from the stew of tobacco leaves and stems. Some companies that grow their own or have close relationships with suppliers still do it. The blend can vary from company to company and even from line to line. It is a tradition that goes back to at least the days of Columbus. they reported indigenous peoples putting the oil from citrus fruit on their tobacco before smoking it.

Now, petuning is very different from infusing and flavoring like CAO Flavours and Acid.
 
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From what I understand this often isn't due to dying or modifying the colour, but simply the natural dark colour of the leaf bleeding off. The same way that if you rub a fresh green leaf between your fingers, your fingers turn green.

I'm not saying dying doesn't happen - it does, a LOT - but that a cigar bleeding colour isn't necessarily due to anything sinister.
 
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Honestly... most of the color comes from the curing process... especially with fire cured leaves... during fermentation the leaves are bleeding onto one another and that color buildup happens naturally... however... much of the wrapper color bleed is drained during leaf prep for the hand roll process... the repeated misting application and resting of the leaves pretty much drains them of most of the organically processed color... thus our damping rags are traditionally stained by the tobacco... however many commercial manufacturers do retreat the leaves for consistency of color after this process... these sticks will bleed with or without the presence of heat and some may even have a dusty finish like flat paint verses semi-gloss or high gloss paint. It is far more unlikely that organic hand rolls (that have properly prepped wrapper) will have a bleeding stick... instead you should find some tooth and nice natural oil in the finished product. ~xox :kiss:

 
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