no smoking in public parks
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Baldanders
Jim AKA Patty
As of May 1st we can not smoke in our cars in the parking lot of my work.
ciggy
"TommyBoy"
Yep Michigan smoking ban went into effect 6am today. I am not a cigerette smoker so this wont bother me but if it extends into parks (Like campgrounds) I would be upset. To each there own but it's nice kicken it next to the campfire with a smoke of your choice. Pay attention everyone...This is another foothold and Socialism is creeping in!!
r3db4r0n
BoM Jan '11
We already lost the battle against indoor smoking bans up here in Ontario. As a result its sometimes impossible to go to a restaurant - specifically in poor weather - and have an after dinner cigar because you aren't even allowed to smoke underneath the over hang of a permanent structure... Public parks are even more of a joke.
mthhurley
BoM December 2011
California's smoking ban dates back to 1998'ish.
NY, in 2003.
The rest of the country is just following suit.
I don't agree with it by any stretch, nor it's expansion (beyond restaurants), but at least acknowledge that this mindset is not new and not due to any perceived socialist administration. It started LONG before the current US administration. And it's worldwide, not the just the US. Look up UK, Germany, Australia and more to see that they have and continue to enact similar laws.
NY, in 2003.
The rest of the country is just following suit.
I don't agree with it by any stretch, nor it's expansion (beyond restaurants), but at least acknowledge that this mindset is not new and not due to any perceived socialist administration. It started LONG before the current US administration. And it's worldwide, not the just the US. Look up UK, Germany, Australia and more to see that they have and continue to enact similar laws.
Same thing here, Shawn, and I just read in the newspaper that our city council is considering banning smoking in parks as well. Sheesh.
Edit...Some of our city councillors are willing to consider a smoking ban in public parks which is what an Alberta group is suggesting. They are suggesting that the city start with playgrounds and areas where large groups of people congregate, and move from there.
Now comes the conundrum. I have no issue with them outlawing smoking at a playground where children are at play, and will come in contact with left behind cigarette butts. I'm a conscientious cigar smoker, and butt out my cigar and then place it in a trash bin where it belongs. The wife on the other hand....grrrrr...So I can see their point on playgrounds. At least there's one councillor who is willing to man up and say that this probably is not a good idea.
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smokemifugotem
BoM July '10
The land of the free...but with the most laws and most amount of people incarcerated in the world. Don't get me wrong...love the place and not wanting to leave...but laws continue to grow and more and more things are illegal. As Tom said...it is now illegal to smoke in restaurants and bars...just another nail in the already hurting Michigan economy.
r3db4r0n
BoM Jan '11
I can most definitely agree with keeping smoking away from children or places where they may come into contact with the refuse produced by it, but banning smoking in parks all together is a little extreme. Many work places, government buildings, and even universities now have designated smoking areas, so why can't public parks? Surely an approach such as this doesn't solve all the problems that parties on both sides of the argument wish to resolve, but at the very least it would be much more feasible way to work towards meeting somewhere in the middle as opposed to stripping people of their right to enjoy a smoke.
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Wow! I wonder how enforced this will be? I mean you don't need a license to go outside or even ID so will you get arrested if you don't have ID because you are having a cigar in a park? I really think these anti tobacco people need to grow a pair and stop it already. I mean smoking in buildings and such I can see but outside now?
r3db4r0n
BoM Jan '11
Anti tobacco "people" are nearly impossible to fight, they come in the form of lobbyists and interests groups, as well as social movements devoted to stopping smoking for varying reasons. By and large, whether or not you should be able to smoke in a public place rests largely on the view of the public. Smokers today are a minority and local government - i.e city councilor's and aldermen - will often act to appease groups with the largest number of eligible voters, in this case non-smokers, this isn't ALWAYS the case but, unfortunately, it is often a sad reality.
Isn't that democracy, the will of the majority? They get together, pool a lot of money to use to push their cause and if they have enough people and more importantly money they get their way. I know the Constitution is there to give us rights, but lets be honest if a majority of Americans want something they will expect the government to not allow some silly document to get in the way, and since the official likes their job they usually go with the majority.
Lets be honest, it is the same reason people can have assault rifles, and I am sure many of you don't mind using the same system to get gun laws on your side so can you blame non-smokers for doing the same to get their way?
r3db4r0n
BoM Jan '11
Well if you want to get technical, its lobbyists and interest groups that do the "pushing". They hire lawyers, spokespersons, add agencies etc. to change the view of the public, and, in turn, the will of politicians to suit their needs. Really its manipulating the system, but we call it democracy.
As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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hdroadglide
BoM x 2, BoY 2011
hey, arnold did something decent. he vetoed the bill!!!
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
It's a free country!!!
well it use to be :sadcry:
well it use to be :sadcry:
Wondering:
with all the controlled smoking areas now in effect/ more laws telling what and where we can enjoy our recreational habits......
HAS smoking in general gone down ..or stayed relatively the same?
R Children safer, is the Public healthier?
my Guess is an overwhelming NO !
with all the controlled smoking areas now in effect/ more laws telling what and where we can enjoy our recreational habits......
HAS smoking in general gone down ..or stayed relatively the same?
R Children safer, is the Public healthier?
my Guess is an overwhelming NO !
r3db4r0n
BoM Jan '11
Hail the Terminator! Destroyer of anti-smoking bills!