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I posted this in Jim's thread but thought it would be an interesting topic all on its own.

Read this... very interesting article about the Robaina farm. I thought it was pretty cool to read about Alejandro sitting in his rocking chair on Sept 21, and also the secret of using peanuts.

http://www.moon.com/blogs/cuba-costa-rica/cuba-s-premier-tobacco-farm-continues-the-robaina-tradition

This is what it says about Sept 21:

“Every September 21, at midnight, my grandfather would sit in his rocking chair and wait for the wind to blow,” said Hirochi. “If the wind blows from the north, it will be a good year for the crop—a wind from the northeast is best. If the wind is blowing from the south, that indicates a problematic year. That’s why we say all good things come from the north,” he added, a light-hearted allusion to the United States.


About Peanuts:

Hirochi led us out to the fields, where workers were planting the first seedlings.

What distinguishes his farm for that of his neighbors, I asked.

“I always made notes of things my grandfather taught me,” he replied. “I remember his talking about how in the old days, natural fertilizers such as peanuts and cotton seeds had been used, especially by the U.S. companies that had large farms here before the Revolution,” he replied.

Apparently, the tradition died out when peanuts ceased to be available. Recently, Hirochi was able to obtain some peanut plant seeds, he explained. Today, the farm grows its own peanuts, which are ground into powder and sprinkled in the fields, rekindling a long-lost tradition intended to maintain the Robaina legend.
 
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I read that in CA as well, some months ago. Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right because they make one hell of a smoke in the Famosos.
 

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Yea, that CA article was insightful and on point. The recent Cuba issue was one of the most comprehensive discussions on Cuba in any printed media. Can't wait to make a visit to the isle.
 
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The Robainas are very amazing people. When I went to Cuba in November, I stopped into 3Y16 where Carlos Robaina is the manager. I showed him a copy of the Cigar Aficionado magazine featuring Cuba and he offered to sign it for me. I showed him the articles on the Hiroshi as well as the different hotels, LDCHS and Havana profiles.

His eyes lit up when I showed him the article on Hiroshi. He smiled proudly as he said that it was his son. When I saw that look, I offered him to keep the magazine. He was so happy. He showed everyone in the store. I promised him that I would bring back copies when I return that were pristine. I have them here, waiting for my next trip back.
 

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The Robainas are very amazing people. When I went to Cuba in November, I stopped into 3Y16 where Carlos Robaina is the manager. I showed him a copy of the Cigar Aficionado magazine featuring Cuba and he offered to sign it for me. I showed him the articles on the Hiroshi as well as the different hotels, LDCHS and Havana profiles.

His eyes lit up when I showed him the article on Hiroshi. He smiled proudly as he said that it was his son. When I saw that look, I offered him to keep the magazine. He was so happy. He showed everyone in the store. I promised him that I would bring back copies when I return that were pristine. I have them here, waiting for my next trip back.
Thanks for the story A, so very nice of you. :applause:
 

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That CA article is a staple after Suckling, but shortage on peanuts???? They have produced peanuts forever even through the 90s. Mani mani was every were , not sure of that part .
 

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Yea, that CA article was insightful and on point. The recent Cuba issue was one of the most comprehensive discussions on Cuba in any printed media. Can't wait to make a visit to the isle.
The issue of the Economist from two weeks back has a feature on Cuba. All about the developing economics and politics, etc. Not a travel guide per se, but a good read.
 
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How much is Robaina's farm really linked to the Vegas Robaina brand? HSA, as far as I understand, is basically one company which produces all of the brands in several factories. One factory makes different brands and one brand is made in several factories. Branding is also a relative matter. For instance, the regional edition for ex-yugoslavia was supposed to be sold under La Gloria Cubana brand, but is, for legal reasons, sold under the Vegas Robaina brand name.

Moreover, I don't see how private enterprises fit into the prevailing business model in Cuba.

So, how much of Robaina's tobacco ends up in Robaina cigars?
 
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If you want Robiana tobacco, go to the farm & they'll roll a couple for you. My one regret in Cuba is not having time to visit the Robiana farm.
 

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I too have heard there isn't necessarily any Robaina farm tobacco in VR's, but does anyone really know for sure?

Doing just a fast google, this 2001 CA James Suckling article pulls up and Alejandro says this:

He doesn't seem very upset when I tell him that I don't think much about the Vegas Robaina cigar brand. He doesn't really seem to know why the wrappers on the brand have been of such poor quality. "All I can say is the cigar you are smoking is from my plantation," he says, holding out a duplicate of the one he gave me a few minutes earlier. "The wrapper, the binder and the filler, all come from my plantation. And it's a great cigar."

Not sure if he had to say that, or if that was the truth. I can't imagine him telling a flat out lie. I can imagine him not telling the truth, but flat out lying is another thing.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/7039


Then a 2010 Suckling article after Alejandro passed said this:

It's a misconception that his tobacco was used exclusively for the brand. In fact, Robaina believed that none of his precious tobacco went to Vegas Robaina.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/Legendary-Cuban-Farmer-Alejandro-Robaina-Dies_3871


So who knows? Maybe Alejandro was led to believe his tobacco was being used in the early days, then realized it wasn't. Does anyone have definite proof or links to articles/quotes?
 

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It's a misconception that his tobacco was used exclusively for the brand. In fact, Robaina believed that none of his precious tobacco went to Vegas Robaina.
Bummer. I knew that VRs weren't rolled from all Robaina tobacco, but I would have hoped some was used when needed/appropriate. I wonder if it's all syphoned to Cohiba or one of the other marquee brands.
 

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Well, whatever they're doing, the Famosos and Unicos (only two I've had so far) are amazing!
 
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Yeah, CA reported that in their Cuba issue and were the first ones to publish the date he began planting too. Sat in that very rocking chair on that very corner and smoked a cigar... every BOTL should make the journey - it's like our Mecca; haha!

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If you want Robiana tobacco, go to the farm & they'll roll a couple for you. My one regret in Cuba is not having time to visit the Robiana farm.
Sounds inviting, but are they as good as the ones coming from the factories?

Not that I doubt their skill and expertise, but I have some doubts about the facilities:

- can one farm produce good filler, binder and wrapper tobacco?
- do they process (e.g. ferment and age) the tobacco same way they do in the factories?
 
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