Rocky Patel Podcast Question

[Torcedor]

Ok, So i was on vacation and downloaded alot of podcasts to listen to while on the beach.
Anyway, I was listening to the recent Rocky Patel podcast...
and they mentioned they just pre-released their newest cigar (15th anniversary I think) at the cigar Inn in New York. And Rocky mentioned he wanted to do something special for them, and give them a different cigar than everyone else will get at release, they all got round cigars, whereas the everyday release will be box pressed.

Then another guy chimed in with what seemed like ridiculous B.S. to me. He said, you gotta get the box press too, because even though its the same blend, when its box pressed its even better because ..."you get more complexity"...

Now that just seems silly and like B.S. to me. Can anyone confirm if box pressed vs. round of the same size and blend changes anything. Lets be honest, they are just putting it in a mold and changing the shape.

Kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Would be curious to your thoughts.

 

[Clint]

Considering that RP dips his wrappers in dyes and artificial coloring, who knows what will happen to them when they get pressed.

Probably makes a squishing sound.

 

[Psojka RP,601]

"Probably makes a squishing sound."

hahahahahha. we shall find out. my cuz is sending me a few pre releases of the 15th anni. ill post reviews of each

 

[Torcedor]

Yeah, I think the dyeing of cigars has made me skeptical of most of their marketing claims. it makes me even question their knowledge of cigars or do they just think we are stupid?

 

[Clint]

I mean no offense to you guys, nor to RP himself...I hear he is a great guy.

But how can you possibly buy RP's when you know that the cigars have dye added to their wrappers?

A cigar’s color, texture, and appearance should be a result of the unaltered leaf….NOT from an additive designed to deceive the customer.

To my knowledge, RP hasn’t even had the respect to address the issue to their customers, which compounds the problem. (If I am incorrect here, I apologize and would love to see any/all statements from RP)

When Pete discovered that there was an issue with the Drac packaging, he immediately posted the facts and recommended solutions to the issue on his website. Again, the most important part of the puzzle (customer) was a priority; and the issue was brought to light along with a solution.

I guess my question is, where is RP’s priority for the issue and the lack of addressing the concerns of their customers?

 

[Psojka RP,601]

i wonder the same...why havent we just heard an honest answer? anything on the subject that i have heard, he has just circumnavigated the question and changed the subject.

 

[BrooksW]

Dyed cigars suck

Getting back to the main question, there IS a difference in a cigar when box pressed and round, at least to my taste...the main cigar I base this on was the Tatuaje Noella Cuadrado, which was the exact same blend and vitola as the regular Noella, but to my palette, had quite a bit more cedar in the profile then the round (regular) noella...

Having said that, the increase in the cedar profile was the only difference I could detect between the two, so I am not sure that made it "more complex"...but it did make it a noticeably different cigar, at least to me...

 

[Craig Mac]

Dyed cigars suck

Getting back to the main question, there IS a difference in a cigar when box pressed and round, at least to my taste...the main cigar I base this on was the Tatuaje Noella Cuadrado, which was the exact same blend and vitola as the regular Noella, but to my palette, had quite a bit more cedar in the profile then the round (regular) noella...

Having said that, the increase in the cedar profile was the only difference I could detect between the two, so I am not sure that made it "more complex"...but it did make it a noticeably different cigar, at least to me...

Wouldn't an increase in flavor be considered as more complex :dunno:

 

[BrooksW]

Wouldn't an increase in flavor be considered as more complex :dunno:

I suppose, but cedar is a fairly normal profile (found in the VAST majority of cigars)...

**shrug**

~brooks

 

[Clint]

Wouldn't an increase in flavor be considered as more complex :dunno:

Not really...If you add more chocolate to your hot chocolate, you haven't added anything else that would make it more complex. Just stronger hot chocolate.
If you added cinnamon, it would be more complex since another flavor is present.

 

[funkejj]

so my cigars contain cedar then? Is that the argument that you are using here?

 

[twenty5]

Not really...If you add more chocolate to your hot chocolate, you haven't added anything else that would make it more complex. Just stronger hot chocolate.
If you added cinnamon, it would be more complex since another flavor is present.

Although, not all cigars contain a cedarness to them (yeah I made that word up, whadya gonna do bout it?). So by box pressing a cigar that may not contain a cedarness, you are introducing a new flavor, therefor making the cigar more complex! :widemouth

 

[Clint]

Although, not all cigars contain a cedarness to them (yeah I made that word up, whadya gonna do bout it?). So by box pressing a cigar that may not contain a cedarness, you are introducing a new flavor, therefor making the cigar more complex! :widemouth

I hear what you're saying, Justin.

What I meant to say is that increasing an existing flavor already present in a cigar does not make the cigar more complex. Complexity refers to the variety of different flavors in a cigar, and not the varying strength of one flavor.

My 2 cents!

 

[Zen Cigar Man]

To me it's pretty simple. Changing the shape changes the path/flow of air through the cigar, which would change it's flavor. Take torps for example, drawing that air to a smaller orifice will change how your palate initially receives the flavor. Usually good Bp'd cigars have real easy draws compared to a parejo of the same size. It also probably may change how the cigars are rolled but don't quote me on that.

 

[Clint]

To me it's pretty simple. Changing the shape changes the path/flow of air through the cigar, which would change it's flavor. Take torps for example, drawing that air to a smaller orifice will change how your palate initially receives the flavor. Usually good Bp'd cigars have real easy draws compared to a parejo of the same size. It also probably may change how the cigars are rolled but don't quote me on that.

I agree completely.

A torp's larger ring gauge also means it burns slower and cooler allowing flavors to develop further.

As this thread has pointed out, there are numerous, often subtle nuances that affect a cigar's overall flavor profile.

That's one thing I love about the hobby....So much to learn!

 

[Angry Bill]

OH damn, I missed it! Thank god there is some Michael Jackson music to listen to instead.. lol.

I couldn't resist!

 

[Clint]

Is Michael "Jackosn" related to Michael Jackson?

I couldn't resist!

 

[Angry Bill]

Why yes he is.. lol.

 

[Mirrorlure7m]

To me it's pretty simple. Changing the shape changes the path/flow of air through the cigar, which would change it's flavor. Take torps for example, drawing that air to a smaller orifice will change how your palate initially receives the flavor. Usually good Bp'd cigars have real easy draws compared to a parejo of the same size. It also probably may change how the cigars are rolled but don't quote me on that.

Well said Zen Cigar Man .

And to add to this. I stopped to see a buddy of mine at RP's warehouse in Bonita Springs . And was asked to try the Box Pressed 15th and the Round 15th and yes I did notice a difference between the two. Not a major difference but there is some.

 

[Psojka RP,601]

Well said Zen Cigar Man .

And to add to this. I stopped to see a buddy of mine at RP's warehouse in Bonita Springs . And was asked to try the Box Pressed 15th and the Round 15th and yes I did notice a difference between the two. Not a major difference but there is some.

nice. my cousin works with rocky everyday. hes sending me a few 15th anni pre releases

whats ur buddy's name?