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Hello,
I have been trying to find a way to purchase top soil (preferably from an actual tobacco farm) so I may be able to attempt to grow my own tobacco plants in my back yard :hearteyes
The problem is, I can not locate ANYONE who is willing to sell. I contacted two manufacturers who responded (like I expected) with a no, not for sale. My question for the other brothers and sisters, has anyone else attempted to go through this and if so, how did you succeed?

Thank you in advance,
David
 

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Have you tried going to one of these countries and mailing yourself a few boxes full of dirt?

lol

Good luck dude.
 

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While In Nic, I took some of the soil in my hands. I thought it would be more rich. It reminded my of Texas clay mix. I can send you some from my backyard. :)
 
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The soil up here in Wisconsin is very tobacco friendly. Wisconsin used to be one of the top tobacco growing states back in the late 1800's early 1900's, but that was mainly used for chewing tobacco, and cigarettes when hey first got popular. I am unsure if any cigars were rolled from this tobacco due to the temperate climate and shorter growing season.
 
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Thank you all very much so far, and some of the items I will defiantly research. Dpricenator, yes I did read that article as well as went to the site about everything, that is one of the main reasons I got my 'hitch' to try it haha. Granted he was in Virgina and i'm in St. Louis so I'm not sure if the results will be the same haha.
Terrantheman I agree that some of it has to do with the poop haha, but the main difference is the soil itself, how it was created. Volcanic soil mixtures, in a hotter climate with different natural fertilizers (over thousands of years) and the wet vs dry seasons truly do create a 100% different soil than what I would find here, being mostly red clay from a much cooler, more moderate climate.
SRduggins that was initially my main fear as well, worried about bacteria, bugs, parasites, etc (i mean heck, i can't bring in an orange from europe...) but after writing to my state and federal agricultural representatives, they both responded that I am able to as long as I am bringing in less than 50 lbs and I do not intent to sell the product. Fine with me haha.
Plush yeah I have never been to Nicaragua or Texas so I have no comparison haha! Did they say anything special about their soil by chance?
GBpacker66 I do agree, Missouri, Wisconsin and Iowa were all tobacco producers but as you said for cigarettes and chewing tobacco so I'm worried that it is just lower quality production abilities.

Again everyone, I can not thank you enough for the insight and help - Its leaning more towards just buying some really nice top soil at the local shop and getting to work haha.
 
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i would think you could achieve the proper chemistry in your own soil if you knew what to aim for... also, even if you had the soil from ther, the climate here is different! everything affects plant growth... from natural to suplimented chemistry, from wind to water, from temp to actual heat from the sun!
i would first research the subject, then conduct your experiment...
 

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Incredible articles, thank you for reposting those.

It's passion like that which makes me both proud and humbled to have joined this brotherhood.

Cheers fellas :)
 
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You can buy bags of volcanic soil in order to supplement your native soil. From what I have seen, volcanic soil is not cheap...$16 - $50 per bag.
 
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Very true, I did not think about getting volcanic soil supplements Bagfullofpings so I will run out today and see what I can find and at the right price, hopefully that will be the answer haha!

Slow Burn, I have been doing extensive research for this project, probably about a year and a half to two years but most of it has been about growing the plants, fertilizer, pollinating, weather conditions, etc. My main goal is to grow cigar tobacco in Missouri, which surprisingly has a similar climate (Without the sea winds of course) being in the mid to high 90's with 45-60% humidity and rotating seasons of dry vs wet. Now naturally, I'm not saying the two climates are very close by any stretch, but they are closer than lets say Virgina (65-77% humidity and high 70's to mid 80's temp) and Nicaragua. One main thing I will agree with, the heat from the sun as well as the direct sunlight will be less in my location due to the higher latitude, so hopefully I will not have to use cheese cloth as well - a trade perhaps haha.

As far as the comment about obtaining the proper soil chemical composition, if anyone is able to create this for me, no joke, 100 bucks cash. The thing is that Soil can differentiate from farm to farm so just imagine what the difference would be from country to country! St. Louis being a portion of the plains and at one time under water , contains a more compounded level of soil, more mineral deposits and an overall 'thicker' type soil. Nicaragua on the other hand is a country formed from volcanoes (if I remember right they have 9 major volcanoes on the west side of the country) and Esteli is located in the Northwest portion of the country, my bet would be because of the soil quality.

Here is how to win the money - Soil (on average) is made up of 46.7% oxygen, 27% silicon, 8.1% aluminium and about 5% iron (leaving roughly 13.2% to be determined below). Not too bad yet. Plants release nutrients into the soil which act as their own fertilizer/pest suppressant/bonding agents such as Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium, Phosphorous and Sulfur (each about .05% or less) along with other naturally forming minerals and oxides which means then you start playing with aluminum and calcium phosphates, phospholipids, inositol, choline and lastly the amino acids from natural occurring bacteria you can't duplicate in a lab. Getting a little harder?

Nicaraguan soil, as far as my research can locate, has not publicized their soil compounds so unless I get some dirt (Which I need in the first place) to test, I have no idea specifically 'what I'm looking for'. Sucks on my side haha.

Oh well, today I'm going to run by two or three nurseries and talk to them, see if I can figure something out.

Thank you again everyone, I will keep you updated
 

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You seem to be missing something that would/should be in your soil. Nitrogen. Vital to plant growth...because it is part of chlorophyll. The soil pH will determine how well the nitrogen is utilized by the plant.

Crop rotation is vital to replenishing the levels of nitrogen in the soil. That's why soybeans are rotated on corn fields. Pepin and Jaime rotate black or red beans on their fields. But they also customize the fertilizer used based on soil conditions (from lab results) and also for the type of tobacco grown.
 
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Kockroach I 100% agree with you and thank you for catching me on leaving that out. Thing is tho, Nitrogen is enriched and renewed by excretion and decay of animals and plants and can not be introduced as a gas into the soil and nitrogen as a solid is so nonreactive and unresponsive its not even funny. The best thing to do is exactly what pepin and the others do, rotate crops that have a larger root system that will decay. In that same comment, I also left out Ammonia and carbon, two other elements that I really would have no control over, unfortunately.

For all as well, I do apologize for not being more clear from the beginning, its not a matter of me learning how to do this or specific questions at this time but as I had stated from the start of the initial post, Does anyone know of a specific person/location/company who sells soil in Nicaragua/costa rica/honduras?
 

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Well, I think srduggins made the most valid comment to your question...which is what I think is the problem for you too. Import restrictions would probably not allow you to buy and ship in topsoil from outside the country.
 
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I understand where your coming from and thats why that was the first thing I cleared up before I even started thinking about getting the soil haha. How pissed would I be if I get put in jail for buying dirt LOL

earlier on this thread I had said "that was initially my main fear as well, worried about bacteria, bugs, parasites, etc (i mean heck, i can't bring in an orange from europe...) but after writing to my state and federal agricultural representatives, they both responded that I am able to as long as I am bringing in less than 50 lbs and I do not intent to sell the product. Fine with me haha."
 
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