letter sent to the fda asking for removal of flavored cigars

[hdroadglide]

signed by 5 democrat senators.
not that i care for flavored cigars, but this is where it starts......


http://lautenberg.senate.gov/assets/FRLLetterToFDAFlavoredCigars.pdf

 

[iCraig]

Because it's obviously the company making the products fault that kids are smoking. It's not the parents or the people running the shops that are selling to minors...

 

[rr_double_rr]

signed by 5 democrat senators.
not that i care for flavored cigars, but this is where it starts......


http://lautenberg.senate.gov/assets/FRLLetterToFDAFlavoredCigars.pdf

Yep, this is the clapper striking the death bell for liberty.

 

[D Quintero]

lettem ! No need to be associated with philly or any other, "blunt" type makers...

the market needs cleaning up i say. differentiating ourselves from the candy flavored crowd is fine with me.

imho

 

[thegoldenmackid]

lettem ! No need to be associated with philly or any other, "blunt" type makers...

the market needs cleaning up i say. differentiating ourselves from the candy flavored crowd is fine with me.

imho

Yes, call cigarillos what they are. Premium cigar folk were not benefitted by the "little cigar" loophole in so many states.

 

[rr_double_rr]

lettem ! No need to be associated with philly or any other, "blunt" type makers...

the market needs cleaning up i say. differentiating ourselves from the candy flavored crowd is fine with me.

imho

It's not about me at that point. Sure, I think flavored cigars are dog rockets, too. But it's about liberty to me. Some people enjoy the infused cigars, come people like the candy sticks. That's ok, they should be able to. Instead of cracking down on manufacturers and suppliers, by making them illegal, they should be cracking down on B&Ms that sell them to minors, and parents should be teaching their kids about the dangers. Sadly, there is no way to enforce that second one, so you have to let the individual decide.

To protect everyone's liberty you have be willing to let some people harm themselves with that liberty.

I say that smoking ages should be the same as the age of consent laws. If they're old enough to consent to getting penetrated/penetrating, then they can decide if they want nicotine in their body. Alcohol is different due to it's stronger effect, IMO, and the chances of something going badly.

 

[Craig Mac]

It's not about me at that point. Sure, I think flavored cigars are dog rockets, too. But it's about liberty to me. Some people enjoy the infused cigars, come people like the candy sticks. That's ok, they should be able to. Instead of cracking down on manufacturers and suppliers, by making them illegal, they should be cracking down on B&Ms that sell them to minors, and parents should be teaching their kids about the dangers. Sadly, there is no way to enforce that second one, so you have to let the individual decide.

To protect everyone's liberty you have be willing to let some people harm themselves with that liberty.

I say that smoking ages should be the same as the age of consent laws. If they're old enough to consent to getting penetrated/penetrating, then they can decide if they want nicotine in their body. Alcohol is different due to it's stronger effect, IMO, and the chances of something going badly.

Well said, and it is the start of regulation for cigars with stuff like that. I would really like to see where they get those damn numbers from too. I have seen a ton of high school kids smoking cigarettes but never one smoking a cigar. Now if they are cutting open the flavored ones and using the wrapper for something else that is a totally different thing and should be noted in their "argument". And once again the blame lies on the stores that are selling to minors in the first place, not the companies making the products. We all know the risks and choose to smoke, and that is our right to do so. Hate this shit!

 

[BrandonP]

I agree with Craig in wanting to know where they are pulling these numbers from. 475,000 middle school students? Really? I find that number HARD to believe. And I would be interested to see if the high school number included high schoolers who are 18 and of legal age?

 

[javajunkie]

...Now if they are cutting open the flavored ones and using the wrapper for something else that is a totally different thing and should be noted in their "argument"!

THIS. the fact that weed is still actually illegal (mostly), and thus unregulatable, makes it arguably easier to obtain for minors than tobacco. if you sell a controlled substance illegally, you really are not going to card, or have an issue with providing a tobacco-offilliated smoking device ( the 'rillo or blunt). and as you are trying to track data on an illicit endeavor anyway, your numbers are wrong. they are off. period.

is this aimed at the "little cigar" market, those cigarettes with tobacco pulp paper? or the actual cigarillo/ blunt/ machine made segment?

like a lot of these proposals, the math is bad and the language is loose and indefinite. THAT is what we should have a problem with. give an inch, they could take our lifestyle.

 

[thegoldenmackid]

Think data comes from here:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm

 

[usmcpurcell]

I thought IMO that flavored and infused cigars were aimed to draw more of a female crowd when I was at the DE event I saw a ton of women smoking Natural ans Acid lines not saying men don't smoke them but that was my observation. I don't even consider white owl and philly a cigar! Garbage would be more fitting.