Ummm, Oscuro or NOT???

[Palmettoguy]

So I got my box of LG Diez Oriental Oscuro in this evening:

I opened the box up and was shocked to see how light the wrappers were. I placed another oscuro stick by them to compare and I'm just not believing that these are in fact oscuro...am I missing something here?

 

[indyrob]

I got several boxes of A's like that and sent them back. See if you can do the same because that's NOT Litto's Oscuro

 

[kockroach]

Don't worry....the LG oscuro look practically the same as the regular LG.

 

[Palmettoguy]

Thanks gents...Case has been sovled.

From left to right: Original, Oscuro, Maduro
[photo credit to schedel]

I always thought oscuro meant black...guess a noob learns something new every day, lol.

 

[danthebugman]

How is that Oscuro??

Dan

 

[gibbleguts]

Very common misconception. There are a ton of books out there that describe oscuro as a colour shade darker then maduro. If I remember correctly is due to a curing or fermenting process instead. Would love to hear the real answer in more technical form tho

 

[smokemifugotem]

Very common misconception. There are a ton of books out there that describe oscuro as a colour shade darker then maduro. If I remember correctly is due to a curing or fermenting process instead. Would love to hear the real answer in more technical form tho

Was just reading a few articles and said same thing. Have to remember that maduro and oscuro are not in reference to color...more to part of plant and how processed. Easy to stereotype when majority are dark...but not always the case. Some even listed LG as the "natural oscuro"

 

[musicman]

If you send me some, I will check them for you.

 

[mk05]

http://www.stogiefresh.com/journal/Cigar_Journal/Featured_Articles/Entries/2008/5/28_Maduro_and_Oscuro-The_Basics.html

 

[batista30]

http://travelingstogie.com/how-litto-gomez-from-la-flor-dominicana-makes-an-oscuro-wrapper/

30 second video of Litto Gomez turning a natural wrapper into an oscuro. Pretty Cool.

 

[danthebugman]

As you guys have said and as I have read Oscuro and Maduro are not colors (well they are, but they aren't), but fermentation processes. What I've read still says that the leaves undergo a change in color when during this fermentation process. So I have to wonder what kind of fermenting these leaves are undergoing or what kind of tobacco they're starting with to look so close to the natural wrapper :dunno:.

Dan

 

[njstone]

blah blah, I'd still return those for another box if it were me, especially on such a pricey stick. Maybe you can have an oscuro that light, but I've certainly never seen it. Plus, Lito's oscuros are typically really dark with that kind of mottled look.

I know wrapper color variation is normal, and I have experienced instances where it seems not to matter. But I have also experienced instances where it mattered A LOT in terms of flavor. I got a box of Tat Noellas once with really dark wrappers (as dark as the Verocu), and those were by far the best Noellas I've ever had.

 

[JVB]

IMHO they look fine, personally. If you're conflicted on them I can help split that box up to lessen the blow.

 

[kockroach]

That is what the LG Diez Puro Oscuro is supposed to look like. This is a Litto Gomez stick...just because it isn't as dark as the other oscuro cigars he makes, doesn't mean it isn't oscuro. They aren't that light because of wrapper color variation.

 

[kockroach]

Additionally....Pepin uses the term oscuro in a number of his wrappers. For instance, the Series JJ is an oscuro wrapper. It is lighter than the JJ Maduro.

 

[JVB]

Agreed ^

That's why I was trying to jump on these - unfortunately I missed out.

 

[Nickerson]

Additionally....Pepin uses the term oscuro in a number of his wrappers. For instance, the Series JJ is an oscuro wrapper. It is lighter than the JJ Maduro.

Isn't the DPG Serie JJ Corojo?

Also I would love to know more about how the process differs between the Oscuro and Maduro wrappers. I always assumed that Oscuro's were darker.

 

[kockroach]

Isn't the DPG Serie JJ Corojo?

Also I would love to know more about how the process differs between the Oscuro and Maduro wrappers. I always assumed that Oscuro's were darker.

To my knowledge, Oscuro is not the name for the seed or variety of wrapper, like Corojo or Criollo.

But yes, the JJ is a Corojo wrapper, specifically Corojo Oscuro. That is how it is listed on the El Rey de los Habanos website.

 

[mk05]

Fermentation for maduro first involves taking leaves and making a pilón, or large pile. You pile leaf upon leaf, and allow the pile to ferment. The leaves are fermented at very high temperatures (sometimes up to 150 degrees) and the leaves will change depending on the temperatures and the time spent in the pilón.

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Oscuro leaves then go through a normal fermentation process, with a shorter fermentation time and at lower temperatures than for maduro. After fermentation and before manufacturing cigars, oscuro leaves are aged. Some companies will age the leaves in barrels, crates, or bales. During this aging period the leaves will get even darker, sometimes you will see leaves that are totally black, causing many people to mistakenly think they are maduro. Nevertheless, it is not possible to distinguish between maduro and oscuro leaves simply on the basis of color. Instead, it is the different processes that determine whether the tobacco leaves are maduro or oscuro.

http://www.stogiefresh.com/journal/Cigar_Journal/Featured_Articles/Entries/2008/5/28_Maduro_and_Oscuro-The_Basics.html

 

[Jfire]

http://www.stogiefresh.com/journal/Cigar_Journal/Featured_Articles/Entries/2008/5/28_Maduro_and_Oscuro-The_Basics.html

One highlighted line to the next........


Fermentation for maduro first involves taking leaves and making a pilón, or large pile. You pile leaf upon leaf, and allow the pile to ferment. The leaves are fermented at very high temperatures (sometimes up to 150 degrees) and the leaves will change depending on the temperatures and the time spent in the pilón.

...

Oscuro leaves then go through a normal fermentation process, with a shorter fermentation time and at lower temperatures than for maduro. After fermentation and before manufacturing cigars, oscuro leaves are aged. Some companies will age the leaves in barrels, crates, or bales. During this aging period the leaves will get even darker, sometimes you will see leaves that are totally black, causing many people to mistakenly think they are maduro. Nevertheless, it is not possible to distinguish between maduro and oscuro leaves simply on the basis of color. Instead, it is the different processes that determine whether the tobacco leaves are maduro or oscuro.