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This is very interesting. I see numbers in patterns too and use patterns for character recognition. I also relate colors to temperatures which I always thought was somewhat odd. Yes, I'm also in IT.
Hey, maybe it's an IT thing. What do you think Tim?
 
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Elvin Jones had this condition. He was John Coltrane's drummer and he talks about his perception in detail in a great doco called Elvin Jones: A Different Drummer. You can prob find it on amazon or YouTube. Well worth looking up.
 

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Yea, it's not a "disorder," it's a "condition," meaning something beyond the norm but not necessarily bad. For most of the recent scientific era, this whole topic has been considered totally fake and ridiculous, like supernatural healing or ESP (both of which now have a lot of scientific evidence as well). But more recently things have become more easy for scientists to explain in part, so the scientific community (which is wholly arrogant) admits that this might actually be happening.
 
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EVERYONE thinks along synesthetic lines in some things. For example, most people will naturally associate certain words with certain shapes in their mind, and we all have sensory-induced memories (when we smell a pipe it reminds us of Grampa, fresh cedar trees of the family cabin, etc. etc). Shakespeare invented the word "bubble," but it caught on instantly because everyone in England thought that was an obvious and natural term to describe what a bubble is.

Synesthesia is when someone's brain constantly and involuntarily merges senses or arenas of thought that most people do not automatically merge.

If a scientist were to play a certain piece of music, and might find that when asked "What color does this music make you think of?" a majority of people, would answer similarly--therefore that's normal, since so many people would think similarly. But if someone thinks of this color involuntarily, say whenever they hear music played in that key, that's less normal. And if someone actually SEES the colors, that's obviously well outside the range of normalcy.

Another example: when asked to visualize what a "day" looks like, or what "2pm" looks like, many people say they visualize a clock. This is a voluntary visualization (though it becomes habit and is done without thinking), based on how we were taught to tell time as kids (there are other common ways to think of time, I can't recall them right now). If you ask ME to describe a "day" or "2pm," well, it's impossible for me to describe, but it's not a visualization of a clock. I also have very specific (and odd) ways of understanding a week or a year, as well as time progressing. It effects my memory a great deal as well.

--I bought a box of Padron 2000 naturals a while back. I can tell you confidently that I bought it in February, I don't even have to intentionally think about it, I automatically see it on my mental year-long calendar. But if you ask me what year I bought it, I have to really think about it hard, and in relation to other events whose dates I know for sure (I think it was 2010, lol, but I"m not positive). I don't perceive time linearly, rather it's like a wheel that remains stationary while I travel around it. It's weird, lol.
 
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This is very interesting. I see numbers in patterns too and use patterns for character recognition. I also relate colors to temperatures which I always thought was somewhat odd. Yes, I'm also in IT.
Hey, maybe it's an IT thing. What do you think Tim?
I think maybe people who visualize things a certain way will excel in certain careers. I excelled at anatomy, biomechanics, physics, and computers in school. Ask me to write a novel and you will be waiting a long long time. I took guitar lessons for eight years and I was average (at best).

Juts my two cents

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Sorry guys, didn't mean to offend anybody by calling it a disorder. A couple of the sites I was reading called it a disorder, so I latched onto that. :)
 
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I fail to see how this is considered a "disorder"... unless they are using the definition as in "out of the ordinary"
I believe you're correct with the latter.
The definition of a psychological disorder is basically any behavior or mindset that is considered deviant or abnormal which causes the individual undue stress or even direct harm. Going by this definition (which is a summarized version of the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition) definition) this is classified as a mild disorder. Nothing that will directly cause undue stress or even direct harm, but it is considered abnormal. Personally I have issues with that word being used, but yeah. To give you an idea of how easily they latch disorder on to something, being homosexual was considered a mental disorder in the DSM-IV from 1952 through December 9, 1973.

Not trying to step on toes, just saying why most places would consider it a form of disorder.

Along these lines Phobias are also mental disorders. Which I suffer from. So we're not in mixed company :)
 
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This is very interesting. I see numbers in patterns too and use patterns for character recognition. I also relate colors to temperatures which I always thought was somewhat odd. Yes, I'm also in IT.
Hey, maybe it's an IT thing. What do you think Tim?
I think maybe people who visualize things a certain way will excel in certain careers. I excelled at anatomy, biomechanics, physics, and computers in school. Ask me to write a novel and you will be waiting a long long time. I took guitar lessons for eight years and I was average (at best).

Juts my two cents

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That makes sense to me. When I was in the Army my MOS was Tactical Sattellite Communications, and I was always able to visualize the signal flow through the equipment easily. Which makes trouble shooting problems easier. Same thing with computer and network hardware after I got out. Software is a different story, it is very nebulous to me and I have to work at it. I am a tactile learner, so once I physically work with it and put it in my own pattern I'm good. My wife is very good with software, but we usually can't help each with software problems becasue we see it differently and therefore explain it differently. And therefore fight over who is not explaining it correctly.
 
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What's interesting is, you may have already read one of those reviews, and didn't know it, because the person didn't know that isn't how everybody operates. I think we're getting a very good picture into just how many people have this and never even realized it. The wiki states that at least 1:23 people have this disorder in some way or another, but that there has been so little research done in it, that that ratio may be much greater than previously thought. From what I've read, doctors freely admit that there are sides to Synesthesia that have yet to be discovered, let alone understood.

I am able to step back into my memories and look around in them, looking at something closer that I may have missed at that original point in time. That may in fact be one facet of Synesthesia, albeit a rare side of it, but with all the different visualizations I've read about concerning this disorder, it seems to fall right inline. With the utter lack of study though, who knows.
Any way you can post a link to that review, or summarize?
 
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That makes sense to me. When I was in the Army my MOS was Tactical Sattellite Communications, and I was always able to visualize the signal flow through the equipment easily. Which makes trouble shooting problems easier. Same thing with computer and network hardware after I got out. Software is a different story, it is very nebulous to me and I have to work at it. I am a tactile learner, so once I physically work with it and put it in my own pattern I'm good. My wife is very good with software, but we usually can't help each with software problems becasue we see it differently and therefore explain it differently. And therefore fight over who is not explaining it correctly.
No sh*t. I worked as a satellite controller (One of the guys you called in to give reports to). When were you in the army?
 
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What's interesting is, you may have already read one of those reviews, and didn't know it, because the person didn't know that isn't how everybody operates. I think we're getting a very good picture into just how many people have this and never even realized it. The wiki states that at least 1:23 people have this disorder in some way or another, but that there has been so little research done in it, that that ratio may be much greater than previously thought. From what I've read, doctors freely admit that there are sides to Synesthesia that have yet to be discovered, let alone understood.

I am able to step back into my memories and look around in them, looking at something closer that I may have missed at that original point in time. That may in fact be one facet of Synesthesia, albeit a rare side of it, but with all the different visualizations I've read about concerning this disorder, it seems to fall right inline. With the utter lack of study though, who knows.
Any way you can post a link to that review, or summarize?
Sorry, I was saying that we may have already seen one, I'm not sure that we have. :)
 
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That makes sense to me. When I was in the Army my MOS was Tactical Sattellite Communications, and I was always able to visualize the signal flow through the equipment easily. Which makes trouble shooting problems easier. Same thing with computer and network hardware after I got out. Software is a different story, it is very nebulous to me and I have to work at it. I am a tactile learner, so once I physically work with it and put it in my own pattern I'm good. My wife is very good with software, but we usually can't help each with software problems becasue we see it differently and therefore explain it differently. And therefore fight over who is not explaining it correctly.
No sh*t. I worked as a satellite controller (One of the guys you called in to give reports to). When were you in the army?
No kidding? Small world huh? I was in from Jan 87 - Jan 94. Were you in California? I ran AN-TSC93 + 85 rigs.
 
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Ah, good ole Ft. Meade. I had a few shots through there we I was in Honduras. I think I went through there a couple times when I was in Germany too. Did you guys cover Europe?
 
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