Cigar misconceptions

[Rupe]

For me it was (and still is sometimes) correct pronounciation. Just a couple of examples:

- Is it "Bo-vee-duh" or "bovi-duh"?
- Janny or Yanny Garcia? (Yanny...I know)
- "Pal-ee-o" or "Pale -ee-o"
- I live about 30 miles from Lake Pepin and 45 miles from Pepin Wisconsin (pronounced Pep - in). Took me awhile to say "Pep een" Garcia correctly. Still not used to it.
- Just realized last week while watching an old Stogie Geeks episode) that the vitola name is pronounced "bell-I-coso". For some reason I thought is was "bell-iss-co". Need to get my dyslexia checked.

 

[sneak_a_cigar]

For me it was (and still is sometimes) correct pronounciation. Just a couple of examples:

- Is it "Bo-vee-duh" or "bovi-duh"?
- Janny or Yanny Garcia? (Yanny...I know)
- "Pal-ee-o" or "Pale -ee-o"
- I live about 30 miles from Lake Pepin and 45 miles from Pepin Wisconsin (pronounced Pep - in). Took me awhile to say "Pep een" Garcia correctly. Still not used to it.
- Just realized last week while watching an old Stogie Geeks episode) that the vitola name is pronounced "bell-I-coso". For some reason I thought is was "bell-iss-co". Need to get my dyslexia checked.

Very true. I have good Spanish pronunciation yet I find myself anglicizing some words related to cigars.
Ligero, Jalapa, joya, Pepin, etc.

 

[mdwest]

Took me awhile to say "Pep een" Garcia correctly.

I just learned something new... thanks Rupe! (I even speak a good bit of Spanish.. and should have known better...)

I've always pronounced it "Pep - in"... and have said it like that for years.. (Sorry Don Garcia!)...

 

[JDog]

Check out Oliva's page on their clients... pretty much everyone.

http://www.olivatobacco.com/clients.htm

For example, he used to supply some of the original Nicaraguan Corojo wrapper for the Tatuaje Brown label before it switched to Ecuadorian Habano (non Reserva stuff).

I don't believe that's accurate, at least for Cojonu, Pete said he was using AGANORSA from 2003-2005, then Plasencia Corojo from 2005-2006, and then Oliva Ecuador Habano since then. My understanding from Pete has always been that the switch was the same for Brown Label as a whole.

Thanks. You may be right. I like you're comment on the vertical integration as well.

Didn't mean to pile on, and from the production side Plasencia is super-vertical, including a daycare for his workers, but I hear that term get thrown around so much for people who don't make bands, ferment tobacco, etc.

In this industry, like many, it becomes important as there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of product delays, oftentimes involving the not-so-vertically integrated parts.

I think the main thing that we're both trying to say since I did mention that "[Plasencia is] more vertically integrated than most," is very few companies control the entire supply chain, whether it's tobacco farms, preprocessing, factories for cigars & boxes, etc. That's a big misconception. Also, as you pointed out, another misconception has to do with blends. Some people think they don't change. Clearly the Tatuaje Brown Blend must have changes through the years since the suppliers changed and even the wrapper used... another misconception.

 

[Diplomatico]

Another misconception: Their are non-Cuban versions of most big Cuban brands which are made by COMPLETELY different companies than those who make the Cubans. Examples are Cohiba, Montecristo, Partagas, Romeo y Julieta, Punch, Hoyo De Monterrey, and Trinidad just to name a few.

Perhaps I'm reading what you wrote incorrectly but that isn't a misconception - it's absolutely true. The non-Cuban brands ARE made by completely different companies that manufacture the Cuban brands. I suspect you know what you meant but for the sake of the noobs - the brands legally available in the U.S. that have the same name as those produced in Cuba have nothing in common when it comes to tobacco used or production.

 

[AlohaStyle]

Another misconception: Their are non-Cuban versions of most big Cuban brands which are made by COMPLETELY different companies than those who make the Cubans. Examples are Cohiba, Montecristo, Partagas, Romeo y Julieta, Punch, Hoyo De Monterrey, and Trinidad just to name a few.

Perhaps I'm reading what you wrote incorrectly but that isn't a misconception - it's absolutely true. The non-Cuban brands ARE made by completely different companies that manufacture the Cuban brands. I suspect you know what you meant but for the sake of the noobs - the brands legally available in the U.S. that have the same name as those produced in Cuba have nothing in common when it comes to tobacco used or production.

+1. As typed, that is the truth, not a misconception. A lot of people think... "oh, I'm smoking a Dominican Cohiba" not realizing they have absolutely nothing to do with the Cuban brand/blend etc besides a copied name.

 

[Zen Smoker222]

For me it was (and still is sometimes) correct pronounciation. Just a couple of examples:

- Is it "Bo-vee-duh" or "bovi-duh"?
- Janny or Yanny Garcia? (Yanny...I know)
- "Pal-ee-o" or "Pale -ee-o"
- I live about 30 miles from Lake Pepin and 45 miles from Pepin Wisconsin (pronounced Pep - in). Took me awhile to say "Pep een" Garcia correctly. Still not used to it.
- Just realized last week while watching an old Stogie Geeks episode) that the vitola name is pronounced "bell-I-coso". For some reason I thought is was "bell-iss-co". Need to get my dyslexia checked.

+1 it was bad at first haha

 

[Phaedron]

I'm gratified to see some attention paid to the pronunciation (or mispronunciation, as it were) issues surrounding cigar makes and models. As brothers and sisters of the leaf, we owe it to the folks who make our sticks to get their names right! The way a lot of people say "Partagas" is a pet peeve. I've heard so many folks say PAR-ta-gus. It's actually par-ta-GAHS, as there is an accent mark over that last "a." Frankly, I was guilty for a long time, as I didn't know about that accent mark and so pronounced it par-TA-gahs, as that's the default pronunciation for that word in the absence of a discrete accent mark. Here's a good spanish pronunciation quick reference for anyone who's interested: http://www.tomzap.com/sp_key.html

 

[zama80]

Check out Oliva's page on their clients... pretty much everyone.

http://www.olivatobacco.com/clients.htm

That is a pretty impressive list of clients.

 

[BrandonP]

Darker does not always mean stronger! So many new to this hobby assume a maduro is going to be too strong for them. There are plenty of maduro's on the market darker then say a JdN Antano that are not anywhere near as strong as the Antano.

 

[Treinenwj]

I'm gratified to see some attention paid to the pronunciation (or mispronunciation, as it were) issues surrounding cigar makes and models. As brothers and sisters of the leaf, we owe it to the folks who make our sticks to get their names right! The way a lot of people say "Partagas" is a pet peeve. I've heard so many folks say PAR-ta-gus. It's actually par-ta-GAHS, as there is an accent mark over that last "a." Frankly, I was guilty for a long time, as I didn't know about that accent mark and so pronounced it par-TA-gahs, as that's the default pronunciation for that word in the absence of a discrete accent mark. Here's a good spanish pronunciation quick reference for anyone who's interested: http://www.tomzap.com/sp_key.html

Sheesh, I've never even noticed the accent. Guilty of pronouncing in par-TA-gahs. Then again, since 99% of my cigar-related interaction is through here and other print, I'm sure I'm guilty of many other mispronunciations. Case-in-point- Pepin is still Pep-in to me, for the same reason as Bdrupe.

 

[ascrivner]

Check out Oliva's page on their clients... pretty much everyone.

http://www.olivatobacco.com/clients.htm

That is a pretty impressive list of clients.

No joke, unbelievable.

 

[pbibby]

Sorry to bump such an old thread, but this noob here was brushing up on how much I don't know. Would love to hear more about some misconceptions!

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[King Kill 33]

Yeah I just read through the whole thing. I looked up the correct pronunciation of Tatuaje once. When I put the emphasis on the AH, it just doesn't sound natural coming from me. So I just say Tat...

KK33

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[Carpenter69]

I guess I got it good. I work with a bunch of Spanish speakers, I just ask them like 40 times before I get it right.

 

[Alwayslit]

cool info, thanks