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After lots of reading, planning, figuring stuff out and with the help of some great BOTL's (thanks GolfNut) my wineidor has been online and holding cigars for a few weeks.

Some of the discussions that puzzled me at first surrounded the almost universal belief that only TE coolers make suitable winedors. My intention here is not to start a flame war but open up the topic for examination. Using a combination of Johnson Controls for temperature control, cigar oasis xl, and heartfelt humidity beads I put together a compressor based wineidor that holds steady numbers. The wine cooler is a 34 bottle with Frigidaire branding.

Living in south Texas, a TE cooler has limited application where the ambient temperature will often be greater than 20 degrees of my desired setting. Using the compressor based system, the wineidor could be setup in a garage or outbuilding and still maintain acceptable temperatures during the hot summer months.

To measure the temperature and humidity levels I'm using a remote read thermometer/hygrometer from Meade Instruments along with 3 additional digital hygrometers placed throughout the cabinet. I don't have the instrumentation to scientifically monitor the levels on a constant basis. However, through casual observation and by relying on the High/Low recording function of the Meade device it appears that temperature and humidity levels stay within 3 points +/- of 67/67. More importantly, the cigars are smoking well, and I've not seen signs of humidity related damage thus far.

I would like to hear experiences from my BOTL. Why is there such a strong belief that only TE coolers can be used for Wineidors? What experiences have you had to support other viewpoints?

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I'm new to the Wineador setup (still getting mine online) so I can't really comment, but can you link to the stuff you're using for temperature control?

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It's no ubran legend brother. Condenser/ fridge units use a compressor which pull out moisture 10 fold compared to a Te. It's why we as cigar smokers never put cigars in a fridge.....
 
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I'm starting to lean towards this being a myth. While the compressor kicking on may suck up a lot of humidity from the setup it's constantly being replenished if you're using active humidification even if you're using beads you need to compensate for condensation inside the fridge which end of the day adds to the humidity levels in the environment that us if you collect it in a receptacle at the bottom of the fridge. Also a couple of brothers running compressor based fridges seem to be very happy with their setup and maintain that it hold solid humidity within their desired range. Not sure how this argument got started but I've seen a lot of compressor based setups and none of them have complained about huge fluctuations in humidity thus far.
 
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It's no ubran legend brother. Condenser/ fridge units use a compressor which pull out moisture 10 fold compared to a Te. It's why we as cigar smokers never put cigars in a fridge.....
How do they pull moisture out? The inside of the unit is completely sealed. No refrigeration components or vents are present. In my case, the only observable effect of the refrigeration is that the back wall of the cabinet gets cool.

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In Texas it may not br as big of a problem. The RH is so high outside I can almost leave my cigars in my humi without any humidification device and still stay at 65%. I would think in a dryer climate the humidity loss could be more of an issue.
 
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Your test also incorporates running an OasisXL, which should be unneccessary for something that size. Would be interesting to see results after a month without the XL.
 

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havent gone the wineador route yet... temp here isnt a big concern since we keep the house between 68-70 pretty much year round.. humidity is pretty easy to control here as well with just a couple of bovedas or a few beads.. in the dead of winter rh only gets as low as about 50.. in the height of the summer it doesnt get much higher than the low 80's.. so maintaining 65% is relatively easy to do..

I am thinking about a fairly big wineador though.. if for no other reason I can keep everything in one place.. as opposed to having a large desktop (200 stick), and a couple of mid size cooleradors (probably 200 sticks each also) stuffed in different places..

Im not sure if I would ever actually need to plug mine in though.. the plan would be to put it inside the closet in the office in my house... which usually stays a degree or two cooler than the rest of the house (pretty consistently 66-68 degrees)..

all that being said.. is there any advantage to one over the other if youre not looking to use it for refrigeration/cooling? (one cheaper than the other? one more easy to find used than the other? etc?).... All I am really looking for is somewhere I can store 400-600 sticks.. that is well sealed.. that I can stuff a bunch of cedar trays into... and that is easy to dig around in when I want to find something in particular (the coolers are a pain in the butt to work with)...
 
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havent gone the wineador route yet... temp here isnt a big concern since we keep the house between 68-70 pretty much year round.. humidity is pretty easy to control here as well with just a couple of bovedas or a few beads.. in the dead of winter rh only gets as low as about 50.. in the height of the summer it doesnt get much higher than the low 80's.. so maintaining 65% is relatively easy to do..

I am thinking about a fairly big wineador though.. if for no other reason I can keep everything in one place.. as opposed to having a large desktop (200 stick), and a couple of mid size cooleradors (probably 200 sticks each also) stuffed in different places..

Im not sure if I would ever actually need to plug mine in though.. the plan would be to put it inside the closet in the office in my house... which usually stays a degree or two cooler than the rest of the house (pretty consistently 66-68 degrees)..

all that being said.. is there any advantage to one over the other if youre not looking to use it for refrigeration/cooling? (one cheaper than the other? one more easy to find used than the other? etc?).... All I am really looking for is somewhere I can store 400-600 sticks.. that is well sealed.. that I can stuff a bunch of cedar trays into... and that is easy to dig around in when I want to find something in particular (the coolers are a pain in the butt to work with)...
Most of the year I have my wineador off, my basement keeps it at 66 degrees almost perfectly. The humidity is also easily controlled for my with cedar shelves and beads, always 68%. The reason I chose a wine cooler over a cooler was for ascetics as well as the deal that I got on my large one (55 bottle) with a nice glass door for viewing my stogies!
 

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thats exactly what Im thinking..

the glass door and cedar is a little nicer to look at than the red and white coleman cooler in the floor of the closet lol.. and I think it would be easier to organize and navigate with drawers and a front loading door as opposed to the top loading cooler with boxes and a couple of trays stuffed inside..

(sorry for the thread hijack... just been thinking about a wineador for a few months.. and getting pretty close to pulling the trigger on one..)...
 
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In Texas it may not br as big of a problem. The RH is so high outside I can almost leave my cigars in my humi without any humidification device and still stay at 65%. I would think in a dryer climate the humidity loss could be more of an issue.
Ambient temperature and humidity levels of the environment outside should not have any effect on the environment inside the wineidor unless there is a leak. It is by definition is an isolated micro-climate.

Your test also incorporates running an OasisXL, which should be unneccessary for something that size. Would be interesting to see results after a month without the XL.

I agree that the OasisXL is not a necessity. Beads should work on their own and they do most of the work in this particular setup. I chose to introduce an active/passive humidification scheme. I used 1# of 70% beads that sit at the top of the cabinet. The OasisXL is set to activate at 68% and sits in the bottom. The beads absorb any spike in humidity and gently release humidity as needed but with only one pound the system is somewhat starved. The OasisXL allows for rapid re-humidification after opening the door or if levels fall too low and adds a fan for circulation.

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This is an interesting discussion for me, as I will soon need large storage in Belize. Avg. humidity is 85%. Humidor is approx. 225 sticks, which will hold my daily go-to's, and 20 or so boxes that need to be kept in a coolidor. I am concerned about how to keep the boxed sticks cooled in a place where the temp. is normally 80 degrees and the humidity is high. Anyone please chime in with possible solutions.
 
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This is an interesting discussion for me, as I will soon need large storage in Belize. Avg. humidity is 85%. Humidor is approx. 225 sticks, which will hold my daily go-to's, and 20 or so boxes that need to be kept in a coolidor. I am concerned about how to keep the boxed sticks cooled in a place where the temp. is normally 80 degrees and the humidity is high. Anyone please chime in with possible solutions.
With your average 85/80 I would use a compressor powered wine cooler (always go bigger than you think you need :) ) to bring DOWN the relative humidity levels and temperature faster than thermoelectric; I would throw in a pound or two of humi beads to stabilize
the humidity levels, partially dry in case the humidity started to rise at a particular time of day. JMHO Obviously little tweaks are make/finalized with experience In your climate and time.
 

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The first year I had a Vino28 (08') it was always on. It never produced condensation on the bottom floor even when the ambient temp outside the unit was 10 -15degs warmer and it constantly ran. The fact that some guys are using ACTIVE humidity in these compressed units proves that it is to compensate for the compressor condensing more of the moisture. Thus needing a more aggressive form of humidification. Just because water is sits in a droplet form at the base of the unit does not mean the same rh levels are now in the rest of the space. Why not stick with passive systems that require less H2O, daily maintanance and use TE technology? Why don't brands like Avallo and Aristocrat use compressors in their heirloom pieces. I'm guessing compressors cost less and are used more widely in refrigeration in general. I'm sure they cool quicker and as a negative condense moisture droplets faster as well. It is then harder for our collections to bounce back to appropriate rh levels. Just my thoughts and observations listening to guys that came before me here and have been thru this debate for themselves.
 
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This is an interesting discussion for me, as I will soon need large storage in Belize. Avg. humidity is 85%. Humidor is approx. 225 sticks, which will hold my daily go-to's, and 20 or so boxes that need to be kept in a coolidor. I am concerned about how to keep the boxed sticks cooled in a place where the temp. is normally 80 degrees and the humidity is high. Anyone please chime in with possible solutions.
With your average 85/80 I would use a compressor powered wine cooler (always go bigger than you think you need :) ) to bring DOWN the relative humidity levels and temperature faster than thermoelectric; I would throw in a pound or two of humi beads to stabilize
the humidity levels, partially dry in case the humidity started to rise at a particular time of day. JMHO Obviously little tweaks are make/finalized with experience In your climate and time.
I agree that getting down there full-time with the humi and the coolidor will give me a learning curve. Will take your advise with me, so thanks!
 
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