My cigars like to burn under the wrapper and if I don't constantly keep up with a lighter it will burn out, or it seems I really have to take a lot of draws or blow through the thing to get the wrapper to keep up. When this happens It burns hot and gets a nice cone shaped cherry................it also ruins the taste. I have tried PG solution, Boveda, and now Heartfelt beads. My 65 beads are only reading at 59-61. Some cigars feel a tiny bit spongy, and some do not. I tried dry boxing in the past from 1-3 days and same result. I started getting pissed a long time ago. Is it my humidors or what? should I trow them in a cooler and call it good? I use a desktop humidor. Both have glass on them. seal seems fine. Cigars start to burn decent at the finial 3rd but not great. Really ruins the experience. Some taste wet, I do not know why, I try to keep my RH between 63-67.
Burn Problems
- Thread starter Anthony_Joseph
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What's the average temp for the humi?
Assuming hygro is calibrated? And are you smoking in cold temps, or windy conditions, mist, something else that could put out the wrapper? How often do you draw? Any particular sticks where this tends to occur? What kind of humi do you have?
Not to bumrush with questions, but there are a lot of factors and possible causes.
Not to bumrush with questions, but there are a lot of factors and possible causes.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
There is always an answer to the fundamental questions that you are talking about. Humidors and equipment along with relative media is all important to the process so my first question is with your equipment....are you using a hygro that is tested...if it's not reliable you might be thinking you are at a specific RH but could be as much as 5% off....you are saying that the wrapper is having to be constantly touched up....this tells me that you're experiencing too high of humidity where the inside is burning faster than the outside....or it can be something where you are smoking it improperly or where you have lit it improperly....all the way to being in the wind. I suspect it's from the relative humidity and time spent in your humidor. I've always advocated a constant temp/RH in my humidors...it takes time to condition the tobacco so that from the wrapper all the way inside to the binder and filler you have a constant % instead of something that is not fully conditioned at the RH you want. This is why 65% is such a popular midpoint.
Glasstop humidors that are small in nature are usually suspect at this point....they just are and if you paid less than $100 for a desktop then you might consider that you have equipment that is lacking in character. Tobacco thrives in a stable environment....a good humidor is necessary to advance this property and if there is a gap in the seal it will lose RH or gain depending on how much you are addressing the issue and you seem to be trying to settle this with different medias. Media needs to thrive in a stable environment and beads work well so do Boveda along with gels so even if I wanted to try and talk you into trying Kitty Litter it may not work because you'd be playing with the moisture content too much by adding DW too often.
Try this and see where you are fundamentally....a good RubberMaid ( tupperador ) will let you see how things go...choose your media and set up the tupperador by filling it with at least 3/4 full of cigars and lining the bottom with cedar. This may take a day or two to keep the RH where you want it ( first ensure that your hygro is reading accurately....salt test to ensure ) and then let your cigars rest in that environment for a week or so...cigars really need some time to rest. I could go on but first things first...try this and keep us in the loop.
Glasstop humidors that are small in nature are usually suspect at this point....they just are and if you paid less than $100 for a desktop then you might consider that you have equipment that is lacking in character. Tobacco thrives in a stable environment....a good humidor is necessary to advance this property and if there is a gap in the seal it will lose RH or gain depending on how much you are addressing the issue and you seem to be trying to settle this with different medias. Media needs to thrive in a stable environment and beads work well so do Boveda along with gels so even if I wanted to try and talk you into trying Kitty Litter it may not work because you'd be playing with the moisture content too much by adding DW too often.
Try this and see where you are fundamentally....a good RubberMaid ( tupperador ) will let you see how things go...choose your media and set up the tupperador by filling it with at least 3/4 full of cigars and lining the bottom with cedar. This may take a day or two to keep the RH where you want it ( first ensure that your hygro is reading accurately....salt test to ensure ) and then let your cigars rest in that environment for a week or so...cigars really need some time to rest. I could go on but first things first...try this and keep us in the loop.
I smoke indoors 90% of the time. Hygro is calibrated (Both of them) i've tried multiple drawing techniques, one small puff and a larger draw every minute or 1.5. I have tried smoking quicker slower. I light with a match toasting the foot very well then taking very few small draws to get the entire cigar lit.
http://www.donsalvatore.net/products/product.php?id=176
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The other one i cant find. It is nothing special, has a glass top. Likely made in china.
I keep the glass covered from the outside to keep light out. Never do they get direct sunlight.
http://www.donsalvatore.net/products/product.php?id=176
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The other one i cant find. It is nothing special, has a glass top. Likely made in china.
I keep the glass covered from the outside to keep light out. Never do they get direct sunlight.
I bought one of these at bed bath and beyond for around 10 bucks a month ago. (In the process of moving things around at the moment) this thing has kept perfect RH, and has a thin rubber seal.
Well apparently I can't upload a pic at the moment but its a "Snapware" product. Clear with blue handle and trim. 9.4 liter. Will hold about 50 with foam trays. Maybe more if you arranged it differently and weren't as anal as I am with the cushion between each cigar.....
I highly recommend atleast 20 of these.
-Chrisso
Well apparently I can't upload a pic at the moment but its a "Snapware" product. Clear with blue handle and trim. 9.4 liter. Will hold about 50 with foam trays. Maybe more if you arranged it differently and weren't as anal as I am with the cushion between each cigar.....
I highly recommend atleast 20 of these.
-Chrisso
Rupe
Suburban robot that monitors reality -BOM Feb.'13
+1 on the snapware containers. I have a couple of different sizes that I use for travel humidors and they are awesome. I have a piece of spanish cedar in the bottom and I bought some foam at Hancock fabrics that I cut to fit for the layers in between. With the rubber seal on the lid they hold humidity like a champ! :thumbsup:
As far as your burn issues, I have found that the majority of the burn issues that I have had over time were due to inconsistant humidity. I started a strict policy of keeping everything for a minimum of 1 month in my coolidor before smoking it and the vast majority of my burn issues have gone away. The key to this is having a stable humidor though. If you can get yourself to stability and then be patient enough to let them sit for awhile it should be helpful.