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Samples are roasted & will be shipped out to Java Junkie, Bdrupe, Mdwest, xFreebirdx, Slidzero & Sean T sometime tomorrow:



I roasted my sample of this coffee on 01/03 & I'll be cupping it tomorrow with a few coworkers. However, I'm going to withhold my results until everyone else posts theirs so I don't sway any opinions unnecessarily. :)

Cool...Thanks a bunch guys for including me. Can't wait to sample this!!!
Putting a little sumpin-sumpin extra in your package, Rupe. ;)
 

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Im pretty fired up about it as well....

its forcing me to go do research to figure out proper cupping.. I went out and bought a new grinder.. going to go pick up a new french press this afternoon, etc.. (I want an 8 cup press.. all I have is a 4 cup press currently)...
 

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Just dropped all the packages off at the PO. Not sure if you guys want to just post your thoughts on how you like (or don't like) the coffee or not and/or any flavors, etc. you get. Here is an example of a review of a coffee I cupped for a group I belong to for reference if needed:

Country/Region: Colombia
Farm/Estate Name: Mesa De Los Santos
Grade: Organic/Shade Grown/Bird Friendly/Rainforest Alliance Certified
Year: 2012
Processing: Wet Processed
Varietal: Unknown (Caturra/Typica?)
Screen Size: 16-17-18
Cupper: Kevin Flack, thejavaman
Roaster: Roasted Sample Provided By Cfsheridan

3.0 Dry Aroma - plum, raisin, other dark fruits
2.9 Wet Aroma - caramel, muted red apple note
8.3 Acidity - medium, structured/refined brightness
8.1 Body -medium, good weighty body
7.7 Flavor - winey fruit, sage, concord grape, pear juice
7.5 Aftertaste - bittersweet, chocolate/caramel finish

Subtotal +50 =
87.5 TOTAL

Notes: I've enjoyed MDLS coffees in years past and this one didn't disappoint me either. Maybe not the "powerhouse" type of Colombian that some people prefer, but I like it's subtle charm and classic cup characteristics. A thumbs-up from me.



The most important thing to remember when cupping a coffee is that there is no wrong way to do it. Taste is a very subjective thing as many of you already know. Here are some links that may be helpful to the group:

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/beginnercupping/why

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/beginnercupping/tools

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/beginnercupping/stepbystep

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/beginnercupping/tastenotes

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/beginnercupping/cuppingforms
 

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I wish I had the palate to rate coffee like that. But that is way above my skill level. But I ill give the best I can with an amateurs taste test. ;)
Simply brewing a cup the way you normally do and then sitting down with a piece of paper & pencil & just writing down what you taste is how I started. Just write down the first things that pop into your head. I implore people to at least try the coffee black first, but then adding a little cream & sugar (or however you normally prepare it) and then continuing to evaluate it is totally fine in my book too. Don't be put off by fancy descriptors/flavors and think you're doing it wrong - there is no "wrong" way really. It literally took me years to be able to distinguish/discern the various flavors from a coffee I'm cupping. Above all else, HAVE FUN! :ccool:
 

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Ok, I've gotta ask. What's the difference between drinking coffee and "cupping"?
Cupping is basically a fancy word for evaluating & grading a coffee. There is a very strict protocol that professional cuppers/green coffee buyers follow to decide whether they want to buy a particular coffee or not. Believe it or not cupping first & foremost is used to detect defects in a coffee. People that do it for a living literally may cup up to 20 samples at the same time, multiple times a day. Any defect or off flavor at all will automatically eliminate a coffee from moving on to the "final round" for further consideration. Read through some of the links I posted earlier for more detailed info, Bill.

Here's a generalized video of the basic proceedure:

[video]http://vimeo.com/m/11217699[/video]
 
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I wish I had the palate to rate coffee like that. But that is way above my skill level. But I ill give the best I can with an amateurs taste test. ;)
Simply brewing a cup the way you normally do and then sitting down with a piece of paper & pencil & just writing down what you taste is how I started. Just write down the first things that pop into your head. I implore people to at least try the coffee black first, but then adding a little cream & sugar (or however you normally prepare it) and then continuing to evaluate it is totally fine in my book too. Don't be put off by fancy descriptors/flavors and think you're doing it wrong - there is no "wrong" way really. It literally took me years to be able to distinguish/discern the various flavors from a coffee I'm cupping. Above all else, HAVE FUN! :ccool:


I will do this. ;):)
 

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not if you plan on submitting your results to CA...

otherwise.. you should be good to finish it all off :)
 

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hey! we're allowed to drink more than an inchoff the top, right? right?!? o)

sorry, tis the season!
Haha. Some cuppers (most, really) don't actually swallow the coffee they cup - they slurp it really violently to spray the coffee all over their tongue to hit all the sensory preceptors, maybe swish it around a little bit, then spit it out to avoid getting over caffeinated!

I'm a judge for the Mid Atlantic Regional Barista Championship every year & I don't swallow all the samples either. I have a pretty high caffeine tolerance, but the first year I did it, I drank each & every sample (I didn't really know any better) & by the end of the day (we're talking at least 30 shots of espresso) I literally was bouncing off the walls! I honestly think that I didn't sleep for 2 full days after that. Totally worth it though! :)

http://www.usbaristachampionship.org/
 

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Im there with you freebird...

Im not worth a damn until about the third cup in the morning..

Sure does help when it doesnt taste like burning tires laced with dirty dog nuts though (folgers)... :)
 

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wooo hooooo!!!!! java has arrived!!!!!!!

first cup gets ground and brewed in the morning... and slowly sampled/tasted/etc as a solo project...

after that.. we're going with a first class pairing on cup #2...

thanks Kev! evaluation to follow tomorrow in the afternoon....

 

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ok... couldnt wait any longer.. ground up the first few beans at 0600 this morning.. and I am now on my 2nd cup!

please DO NOT let my evaluation sway anyone elses opinion or evaluation... I openly admit I am NOT qualified to do this.. prior to this exercise my coffee rating experience consisted of thinking "wow! this stuff tastes great!" or "yuck! this stuff sucks!".. Ive never taken it much further... I have a general understanding of what I like (I tend to gravitate toward dark roasts, and bold flavors...).. but thats about it...

I "cheated" a little bit last night.. I went and read probably 20 online coffee reviews.. I made a list of all the things I should be looking for, the common flavors people seem to find, etc.. I thought it would be a whole lot easier to identify "what" certain things are by tasting and then looking at a list of potentials.. as opposed to taking a sip, thinking to myself "thats sort of sweet" or "thats sort of acidic" and then trying to figure out what kind of sweet it is or what kind of acid it is on my own...


I used each of Kev's listed discriminators.. and rated each one on a scale of 1-10.. with ten being "the balls! :) " and 1 being "this tastes like balls! :( "....

Here we go.....

Country/Region: Ethiopia
Farm: Unknown
Grade: 2?
Processed: Wet
Varietal: Unknown
Cupper: mdwest
Roaster: thejavaman

8.0 Dry Aroma - Very strong. When I first opened the bag I was practically knocked over with really powerful "coffee" smell. Lots of cocoa. significantly sweet overtones. This was the single best thing about the entire experience. The scent was excellent. Maybe this is because I've never had coffee this fresh before (never gotten beans just a couple of days after they were roasted.. always bought "premium", already roasted beans, from grocery stores, etc..

5.0 Wet Aroma - Was surprisingly underwhelmed here. hints of floral. but the depth and power of the "smell" was limited..

6.5 Acidity - Medium? I dont really have a whole lot to compare this to as I have never really considered acidity when drinking coffee before.. this is certainly more "bright" and acidic than most coffees I drink.. enjoyable!

5.5 Body - Medium to light? Again, not something I have put a whole lot of consideration into prior to this experiment.. not super complex.. but not at all bad...

7.0 Flavor - Mostly floral with hints of honey and citrus. Not as complex as expected, but the flavors were very nice and enjoyable

6.0 Aftertaste - Slightly bitter. hints of baked or cooked coconut in there?

Total points: 38
Average: 6.33

Not sure if I did this again tomorrow blind if I would get the same results.. again, this is new territory for me.. but overall, I enjoyed the cup and thought it was "good".. I would drink it again.. What I enjoyed more than the coffee itself, was the exercise.. was pretty cool sitting down and trying to identify all the different aspects, tastes, etc.. and how they work together.. was also fun doing the preliminary research and reading..

the first cup was taken black... this is NOT how I normally drink coffee.. typically I take a small amount of sugar (1 teaspoon) and a small amount of milk (1 teaspoon) in a fairly large cup (the cups I use are probably 25% larger than a standard mug"...

the second cup (that I am drinking now) is being drank much more casually... and has the sugar and milk added... Had I done this on the first cup, I probably would have rated a couple of categories higher.. (Im enjoying the second cup much more).. the second cup I am getting a slightly silky/oily/syrupy mouthfeel that I normally associate with ethiopian coffee (and really like).. I didnt get this very much on the first cup..


Great experience overall... thanks for the help with this Kev! Something tells me you might have put me on yet another slippery slope and I might start the "occasional" home roast pretty soon....


Cant wait for the third cup.. Im pairing that one with the PAM 80 featured earlier!
 
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