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Cigars are made in many places, with many tobaccos, and by many different people. But, does it matter? Yes, it does. I look at places to make cigars and order tobacco and get rollers all the time. It is part of my job. While it matters to some smokers, it really matters to the makers. Some pick a place because it is cheap, others because that factory has good tobacco access, others because of the rollers. One dominates the rest in some form or another. I have noticed this since working in this industry. Now, everyone says it is about quality, but I have seen some pricey sticks burn terribly and need a skewer to open up the draw. In the end, it almost always seems to fall on price.

One of the things I notice is most of the cigars I have had come from outside the United States. I hate to say this, but some makers, their rollers are practically doing slave labor. Other companies pay them well and get a good product out of it. I understand cultures and economies are different for different areas. But notice, cigars that are expensive, that get high ratings, pay their employees well. This also helps in quality since they can reap the fruit of their labor.

So, why not make more in the US? We have access to the same tobaccos, we have great rollers, and amazing blenders. I thought about this because of what people have said about Cremo (who I work for). We are made at El Titan de Bronze, our Classic was blended by Willy Herrera (before he went to Drew Estate), and we have some of the best rollers the world has to offer. The quality is high on all fronts. Never heard of a burn or draw problem, never heard of an issue with flavor (unless it is outside ones profile, but even then heard very little), and it is all made in the US. Does it all come down to price?

I am aware, many nice things cost money. I am also aware that people do not buy American products because some have terrible quality (just as someone at an electronics store). But cigars are different. We used to make a ton of them here. Not the cheap gas station knockoffs either, but premium, hand-rolled, cigars. It is not difficult to make them here either. Regulation on making them here is low (regulation on selling them is another story, but still low compared to cigarettes).

The economy is recovering at a super slow pace (or not at all depending on your source). I have always wondered why do they not buy cigars from here, or make them here. It creates a product America can be proud of, it creates jobs, and helps the economy. Also, we can export those to other countries and have money coming in.

Personally, I like having American cigars. Aside from the fact that if they produce crap we have more power to correct that issue, and monitor production, but we create jobs. Rollers, blenders, sales reps, and more. Many also strive to make a great product.

So, do you buy American cigars? Why or why not? I have had this on my mind a lot and it has been frustrating as to why many do not. Though I do understand why we do not use much in the way of American tobacco. Thanks to the cigarette industry, there are not many good places to grow it.
 
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I have a fuzzy threshold for paying 'extra' for made in America....but, I can tell you that it isn't very high. You put a Nicaraguan made cigar and an American made cigar on the shelf in front of me.....if, in my mind size, construction, flavor, are an absolute dead heat, I am probably not paying more than 30-50 cents more for the American made cigar. You raise a lot of positive reasons to buy the American cigar. I may talk a different game at times, but when my wallet comes out, price is more important than I'll usually admit.

I will say that 'Rolled in Miami' brings a little value in my sub-concious....more so than an "American cigar". "Rolled in Bayonne" probably wouldn't bring same 'mental value' or appeal.
 
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At least you are honest. We put "Made in Little Havana" since that is the part of Miami we are made.

I do like your honesty though. Most people hide away from admitting that, when it is normal. Though I will say, I have had better quality here than from Nic. or Dom. Rep. It is the blenders that make the difference.
 
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I have a fuzzy threshold for paying 'extra' for made in America....but, I can tell you that it isn't very high. You put a Nicaraguan made cigar and an American made cigar on the shelf in front of me.....if, in my mind size, construction, flavor, are an absolute dead heat, I am probably not paying more than 30-50 cents more for the American made cigar. You raise a lot of positive reasons to buy the American cigar. I may talk a different game at times, but when my wallet comes out, price is more important than I'll usually admit.

I will say that 'Rolled in Miami' brings a little value in my sub-concious....more so than an "American cigar". "Rolled in Bayonne" probably wouldn't bring same 'mental value' or appeal.
Dave hit the nail on the head. When it comes down to it, would it be a cost effective venture to begin with?
 
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In some cases, yes. Easier to visit the factory, monitor production, and ship them out. Also, easier to get high quality since when a batch looks like it will be bad, quicker to stop and figure out why.
 
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I would love to smoke American cigars made with american tobacco. I just do not see them in Fort Worth. If there was a cigar shop with them, I would definitely give them a try.
 
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To many people get caught up with where a item is made and not the quality. I would pay American made cigars if quality was good not just because they are made here.
 
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Absolutely quality is important. And it is easier to monitor here than outside the country, unless you own the factory. Even then, it is tougher. I just do not get why more do not try to make them here and see how great they can be.

American tobacco would be nice, but thanks to the cigarette industry, not much to get. While Cremo is made in Little Havana, Miami, FL, we do not use American tobacco. Thought about it though.
 
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So what price threshold are you talking about here? I'm generally paying between $8-15 a stick. I don't think anything less of a made in America cigar, it just would need to come to my attention that it was super tasty, and I'd try it. When you get known for creating awesome sticks, folks will beat the door down. The country of origin of my cigars is actually just an interesting detail, I buy the brand, not the origin.
 
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To many people get caught up with where a item is made and not the quality. I would pay American made cigars if quality was good not just because they are made here.
This is close to my response. Honestly, I never consider where a cigar was rolled when deciding if I want to smoke it. I look at price, I look at manufacturer, and I look at reputation. If the price is in my wheelhouse and the manufacturer is one I enjoy, or if I've heard good things about the cigar, I give it a try - with no thought of if it is American or Nicaraguan or Dominican or Canadian.
 

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To many people get caught up with where a item is made and not the quality. I would pay American made cigars if quality was good not just because they are made here.
This is close to my response. Honestly, I never consider where a cigar was rolled when deciding if I want to smoke it. I look at price, I look at manufacturer, and I look at reputation. If the price is in my wheelhouse and the manufacturer is one I enjoy, or if I've heard good things about the cigar, I give it a try - with no thought of if it is American or Nicaraguan or Dominican or Canadian.
Honestly, I do not take into consideration as to the origin of the cigar or where it is rolled as well as the deciding factor on if I purchase a cigar as well. I think the the number of benefits for producing cigars outside of the US are to great for a siginficant push for more US factories. Factors like the amount of tobacco available, the amount of rollers available, the cost of land/space/wages/resources/shipping/etc, as well as the environment/soil. When I read this thread I remembered a quote from an interview by Willy Herrera on why it took a long time to perfect his Herrera Esteli blend and he said just the amount of tobacco that was available to him in Nicaragua was way more than anything he was expecting or has worked with when he was blending cigars at his family's factory in the US.

I think it would be great if there was a significant and stable movement to increase cigar production in the US, mainly for the economic factors and the additional security it would bring to our cigar rights and tax issues. Not only would it bring jobs to the US, but if the US had a significant stake in cigar production, then it would hurt politicians to make legislation that cripples the cigar industry, such as increased regulation and extremely high taxes. But, I just don't think it is likely to happen
 

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I honestly pay no attention at all to where a cigar is made..

I do care about where the tobacco comes from as that obviously influences taste... but even then it has little influence unless I am looking for something in particular... I like a wide variety of NC's... and enjoy CC's as well.. So I might pick up something from the DR, Nicaragua, Hondouras, Mexico, etc... on any given day..

What I consider is price vs. quality..

If the quality is as good or better.. for the same or a better price.. the cigar can be made in Tampa, Toledo, or Turkmenistan... I dont care..

Sadly, made in America just doesnt influence me that much anymore (it used to), as I have found that the high cost of labor in many industries causes a situation where we put out an inferior product at a higher price.. or... in a few cases we put out a superior product, but at a price that makes it unattractive and Ill accept the next best option..

There is a reason my wife drives a volvo.. and not a chevy... (far better vehicle.. at roughly the same price point)..

By the same token, if a product happens to be made in the US and is of good quality and is sold at a fair price.. Im all for it... I dont intentionally seek out off shore options.. I just dont intentionally avoid them either..
 
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I agree with price vs. quality.

Here, we have surprising access to tobacco. It depends on the factory though. Some here have amazing access and others... not very much. Willy can blend a great cigar out of junk though. He blended for the factory we have our made and could make damn near anything.

I am seeing it is almost a catch-22 on some levels. We have great quality and plenty of rollers, but we do need to ship tobacco in for blending. Though once a blend is finalized it is easy to get that tobacco.

I do hope this becomes a larger US industry though. That will bring prices down in time since more will be made here, and help this country out.
 
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Given that the labor costs are higher in the US than in Latin-American countries, I don't see how moving the production of cigars into the US will make the product cheaper. The more aspects of production (rolling, blending, fermenting, etc) are done in the states, the more expensive the cigar will be in the end.

Cigar rolling used to be a larger US industry until pretty much everybody moved to Latin America to cut production costs (among other reasons).
 
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They strive for quality here more though since they are competing with Latin-America. If you pay more, you better get more. Though much in the way of blends are done here already and sent to the headquarters in FL. But what is to be in it is determined here and sent there. That is for some companies though, not all. Also, flying people out, housing them and more costs money. Really sucks when you cannot bring in your own rollers too. Also, many factories here curb how much one can roll in a day (quality) but that also brings cost down. We do not ferment here though, except for Connecticut tobaccos mainly, though we do have storage warehouses here. Some of the largest being Oliva.
 
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That's the nature of more industries than just cigarmaking. Clothes, cars, consumer electronics are designed in the US (or Europe), but the actual production takes place elsewhere (China, India, Bangladesh, etc). Because ultimately, moving the production to a place where the cost of labor is lower helps to keep the price of the product down (and thus maintain the high standard of living we're accustumed to). Though I see that in cigarmaking, the cost is not the only issue.

Also, seeing how some, if not the majority of the most prized cigars on this forum come from Esteli, Nicaragua, I don't think quality is really a problem with non-US rolled sticks.
 
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I never said quality is bad, or a problem, outside the US, I said it is higher here. I have seen some terrible smokes come out of Esteli though, and some great ones.

People in Europe are more apt to make their own stuff, believe it or not.

While labor cost can help keep cost down, it also brings other aspects down. In Esteli, most workers are treated well. In other areas... not so much.

If labor cost was it, why not have them rolled in poorer countries? Or even China? Believe it or not, they make handrolled cigars.
 

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Labor is one factor in a much more complex equation..

for the sake of argument.. if youre paying workers $1 an hour in Esteli.. and only $1 per day in China.. your labor cost is going to be substantially cheaper.. if your intent is to distribute and sell to the China market.. it might be cheaper to actually roll there..

however if your intent is to sell your product in the US (largest consumer of cigars globally).. you now have very expensive transport costs from LATAM to China.. import taxes.. export taxes.. transport costs back to the US.. and you have to factor in whether or not you can get the shipment back to the US undamaged.. if youre going by boat (affordable), how are you going to control the climate and keep product from getting damaged over the time/distance required to move it from Shanghi to Miami? if youre going by plane, how much is that going to cost you and how product can you move with one flight? etc..

the $7 per man, per day you are saving in wages is likely getting eaten up in other areas..

you have import/export and transport issues moving things around from the DR, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc. to a central location in LATAM and then moving it again to the US to get it to market..

but they are going to be substatially less than moving product to and from China, or Malaysia, or Indonesia, etc..

You also have to consider that Chinese and Indian economies are booming.. Wages are actually coming up FAST in those areas.. major manufacturers like GE, Hewlit Packard, etc.. are already looking at moving manufacturing out of Asia and into other areas like Africa and even LATAM in order to bring the cost of manufacturing back down over the next decade..
 
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