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I have heard this was years in the coming. Very easy to solve don't mail on Thursday or Friday. It really should not slow down a box pass, I have been involved I several all will be good with proper box pass set up.
 

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you guys have no idea how good you have it....saturday package delivery, free boxes and supplies...no wonder your postal service loses money by the truckload...lol
 

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Sounds like packages are exempt. We should be okay with the box passes ;)
Correct. All types of packages should continue to be delivered. I was looking for something that explicitly says priority flat rate, but couldn't:
http://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2013/pr13_019.htm
http://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2013/fiveday-factsheet.pdf

But it's considered a package. For example, if you go to usps.com and print a label, it states "ship a package."
 

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Oh hellz no. I gots this condition and the only cure is more packages. Nothing like getting a box of treats on Saturday :cbig:
 

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The USPS looses money.. not because of the "free" stuff they distribute.... but because they are probably one of the 10 worst managed and organized government entities on the planet... they are also an absolute bureaocratic nightmare... far worse than most other US government organizations..

FedX and UPS give out free supplies and deliver on Saturday as well.. they both continue to make TONS of money.. FedX has almost doubled in size since 2003.. and has increased its net margins in the process (through a recession no less..)... UPS has grown slightly through the recession.. and has brought its net margins up as well...

Hell.. FedX actually delivers a whole lot of your mail.. they entered into a $70B contract with the USPS a few years back to help them move the mail..

On any given day of the week, my local USPS has a line with at least 10 people in it.. and at least a 15 minute wait to get served.. there will either be 2 or 3 postal clerks standing there helping people..

There is no reason 3 people cant process 10 customers in 15 minutes.. Grocery stores do it all the time, with customers bringing 10x amount of goods to the counter..

The clerks move slow.. ask a million questions.. take constant breaks.. and do everything they can to work at a pace well below what any other industry would accept...

move mail over to the private sector.. and I bet you my next paycheck that the cost will decrease.. and the service will improve..
 

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When I saw this yesterday my first reaction was the same as most of you.."Oh no, what about the nice occasional Saturday package"? But after looking into it, it only is for first class mail, not packages or priority mail, like others have said. Also, post offices that are currently open on Saturday will remain open on Saturday. Which I think is also a must, because a majority of the time I can not make it to the PO when they are open during the week. That being said, I don't need regular mail delivered to me 5 days a week either, as long as the mail delivery is consistent, reliable and on time, I could live with monday-wednesday-friday, with package deliver everyday and PO maintaining the same business hours as now.

Regarding the discussion about USPS and fedex/UPS, they are different beasts to some extent. While the mere fact that they exists and are so profitable is proof that the USPS is riddled with problems. But UPS and Fedex also don't have to deal with making deliveries to every single house everyday regardless if the mail is just a crappy flyer from the local Chinese take out place. Government agencies and commercial businesses also are driven by completely different factors. I personally would be worried if they moved regular mail deliver to the private sector without making sure the proper provisions and laws are put in place. Just by drawing a comparison to the digital realm, with all the crap ISPs with the internet, cable companies, and wireless provides put us through and how much they over charge, screw us over, are farther behind some other nations, not improving with technology because of current profit margins being so high provide them with no incentive to change, etc. I can see SOO many ways that could turn out to be a bad thing even if it saves the US some money in the short term. But done right, who knows, maybe it would be for the best

EDIT: FYI, doesn't start until August I believe
 
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Regarding the discussion about USPS and fedex/UPS, they are different beasts to some extent. While the mere fact that they exists and are so profitable is proof that the USPS is riddled with problems. But UPS and Fedex also don't have to deal with making deliveries to every single house everyday regardless if the mail is just a crappy flyer from the local Chinese take out place. Government agencies and commercial businesses also are driven by completely different factors. I personally would be worried if they moved regular mail deliver to the private sector without making sure the proper provisions and laws are put in place. Just by drawing a comparison to the digital realm, with all the crap ISPs with the internet, cable companies, and wireless provides put us through and how much they over charge, screw us over, are farther behind some other nations, not improving with technology because of current profit margins being so high provide them with no incentive to change, etc. I can see SOO many ways that could turn out to be a bad thing even if it saves the US some money in the short term. But done right, who knows, maybe it would be for the best


I agree with most of what you are saying here....

but...

USPS has already contracted out quite a bit of its mail service.. FedX is already moving hundreds of thousands of packages and parcels around the country for USPS... USPS got wise and found out that FedX can do it faster, and cheaper than they can internally.. so they awared them a $70B contract to do it for them....

Most of the military mail is now delivered by private firms... there are still a handful of postal units in the USAF.. and there might be a couple left in the navy.. but thats about it.... when you send a letter to "the troops".. whether they are in Afghanistan, Germany, or Korea... that letter or box ultimately gets handed off to someone that works for one of a number of different private firms.. who then conducts all the final processing, and makes sure it gets to the right person in uniform... when one of the troops sends a letter or a package home, the reverse is in effect.. he goes to a private company, that conducts all the initial processes.. everything from putting postage on the package, to inspecting its contents for customs violations, to sorting for initial distribution.. before handing it off to the post office for the final steps required to get it to your door..

Most of the mail carriers in rural America are not postal employees.. its independant contractors that are responsible for delivering the mail to individual homes outside of our metropolitan areas..

and most of the mail is moved from region to region by independant trucking companies that are hired by the post office to move the mail.. those guys are postal employees either.. but they are entrusted with getting your box or letter from Philly to Oakland, before USPS picks it back up again and sorts it for final distribution..

Your mail is already getting touched by dozens of people that are not postal employees.. laws are already in place to protect you and your mail...

Cant see that it would be all that difficult to move the rest of the people over to the private sector and just kill the beast that is the USPS.. the infrastructure is already in place, and is already both efficient and profitable..

whats killing USPS is the bureaucracy and inefficiency of the "rest" of the organization that moves your mail around (the government end)...
 

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Regarding the discussion about USPS and fedex/UPS, they are different beasts to some extent. While the mere fact that they exists and are so profitable is proof that the USPS is riddled with problems. But UPS and Fedex also don't have to deal with making deliveries to every single house everyday regardless if the mail is just a crappy flyer from the local Chinese take out place. Government agencies and commercial businesses also are driven by completely different factors. I personally would be worried if they moved regular mail deliver to the private sector without making sure the proper provisions and laws are put in place. Just by drawing a comparison to the digital realm, with all the crap ISPs with the internet, cable companies, and wireless provides put us through and how much they over charge, screw us over, are farther behind some other nations, not improving with technology because of current profit margins being so high provide them with no incentive to change, etc. I can see SOO many ways that could turn out to be a bad thing even if it saves the US some money in the short term. But done right, who knows, maybe it would be for the best


I agree with most of what you are saying here....

but...

USPS has already contracted out quite a bit of its mail service.. FedX is already moving hundreds of thousands of packages and parcels around the country for USPS... USPS got wise and found out that FedX can do it faster, and cheaper than they can internally.. so they awared them a $70B contract to do it for them....

Most of the military mail is now delivered by private firms... there are still a handful of postal units in the USAF.. and there might be a couple left in the navy.. but thats about it.... when you send a letter to "the troops".. whether they are in Afghanistan, Germany, or Korea... that letter or box ultimately gets handed off to someone that works for one of a number of different private firms.. who then conducts all the final processing, and makes sure it gets to the right person in uniform... when one of the troops sends a letter or a package home, the reverse is in effect.. he goes to a private company, that conducts all the initial processes.. everything from putting postage on the package, to inspecting its contents for customs violations, to sorting for initial distribution.. before handing it off to the post office for the final steps required to get it to your door..

Most of the mail carriers in rural America are not postal employees.. its independant contractors that are responsible for delivering the mail to individual homes outside of our metropolitan areas..

and most of the mail is moved from region to region by independant trucking companies that are hired by the post office to move the mail.. those guys are postal employees either.. but they are entrusted with getting your box or letter from Philly to Oakland, before USPS picks it back up again and sorts it for final distribution..

Your mail is already getting touched by dozens of people that are not postal employees.. laws are already in place to protect you and your mail...

Cant see that it would be all that difficult to move the rest of the people over to the private sector and just kill the beast that is the USPS.. the infrastructure is already in place, and is already both efficient and profitable..

whats killing USPS is the bureaucracy and inefficiency of the "rest" of the organization that moves your mail around (the government end)...
Good points. My concerns wouldn't really be with other people having access or handling the mail though, because honestly, a government employee is just as trustworthy as a non-government employee, I don't know either of them (and like you said, laws are already in place for that).
 

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I'm a little surprised they did Saturday, because my understanding was that statistically Tuesdays are the lowest mail day. But I guess businesses would find it harder to manage only getting mail four days a week.

This is a sensible move, but not as high impact as other options. If Congress would let the USPS close unprofitable locations and open kiosks in gas stations and grocery stores like many other national postal services do, that would have a higher impact. But people will complain like crazy about their post office being closed, and potentially punish their elected leaders, so Congress consistently stands in the way of closing small-town post offices that lose money consistently.
 

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But people will complain like crazy about their post office being closed, and potentially punish their elected leaders, so Congress consistently stands in the way of closing small-town post offices that lose money consistently.
that is spot on information....

combine that with the fact that other branches of the federal government raid the USPS coffers and use income generated by it to fund other projects and programs.. and you have a recipie for disaster.. that no one wants to get rid of.. because it would dry up the money streams they use to promote pet projects..

the postal service admits that even if they cut costs in every area that they control.. and gained access to the new revenue streams that they are pursuing.. that they still could not achieve even a break even status.. much less become profitable.. they lost $3.2B in the second quarter of 2012 alone..

and yet.. no one on the hill wants to do anything about it... for fear it might cost them their job...
 

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2 less delivery days honestly wouldnt bother me much...

the government continuing to throw good money after bad, and wasting our tax dollars... that bothers the crap out of me (as if nobody here could tell :) )....
 
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