Glock trigger pull

[heavyd]

Heavy a couple quick questions.

Are you right or left handed?
What happens to your shot groups with distance? High, low, low left, high right?




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I shoot right, but I'm ambidextrous. My left eye is dominant, however. I'm a little bit better shooter right than left for some reason. I write left handed.

There is no clear inconsistency with my groups at distance, but there is a jump with accuracy. Initially, I attributed it to the small size of the 27 (I have big hands), but it can't hurt to try a different pull, I think.

 

[abomb60]

Heavy a couple quick questions.

Are you right or left handed?
What happens to your shot groups with distance? High, low, low left, high right?




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I shoot right, but I'm ambidextrous. My left eye is dominant, however. I'm a little bit better shooter right than left for some reason. I write left handed.

There is no clear inconsistency with my groups at distance, but there is a jump with accuracy. Initially, I attributed it to the small size of the 27 (I have big hands), but it can't hurt to try a different pull, I think.

I'm pretty much the same way although I write with my right hand but i'm left-eye dominant. The small size of the 27 won't help and you'd be able to overcome the heavier pull with a bigger gun since you have more to hold on to (and it weighs more) but that is hardly the solution to your problem. If you don't feel confident to break it down to find out what's in there i'd order a new 5# connector and spring and then I can help you install them.

http://www.glockmeister.com/5lb-Connector-All-models/productinfo/G343/
http://www.glockmeister.com/GLOCK-Trigger-Spring-fits-all-models/productinfo/G350/

$6.50 plus shipping and you're done. If you need help I will Skype or Facetime with you and help you install the parts.

 

[Grrrrr609]

Distance magnifies fundamental problems.

8 pound trigger is ridiculous. Will it fix your accuracy problem? I dont know. Will the gun feel better to shoot? Heck yes.

Both these guys are right. If your fundamentals are off it doesnt matter what you do to the gun. Without watching you shoot it is hard to say. If you have a shot pattern at distance i can give u an idea what your doing wrong.

It is a subcompact meant for concealed carry and Personal defense at closer distances.

Aim small miss small.

Good luck and happy shooting.

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[mwlabel]

Every competition shooter i've ever met does not shoot a stock gun. All have some sort of trigger jobs that fall under the regulations of whatever type of competition they are in.

That is blatantly false. Please do not use made up data.

Also i'm trying to help the OP with his original question based on my experience and training as a Glock armorer. Not sure what your background is but all you've told him to do is work on his fundamentals and to get a new handgun while i'm trying to assist him in putting his Glock 27 back to the way it left the factory before someone messed with it. It's not an entirely different conversation it's the conversation the OP wanted to have before we went way off topic.

Explaining where the idea for the NY1 trigger offers absolutely nothing to this conversation.

You are continually suggesting the trigger is to blame for poor accuracy, which is completely wrong.

I also did not suggest getting a new handgun.

 

[abomb60]

Every competition shooter i've ever met does not shoot a stock gun. All have some sort of trigger jobs that fall under the regulations of whatever type of competition they are in.

That is blatantly false. Please do not use made up data.

Also i'm trying to help the OP with his original question based on my experience and training as a Glock armorer. Not sure what your background is but all you've told him to do is work on his fundamentals and to get a new handgun while i'm trying to assist him in putting his Glock 27 back to the way it left the factory before someone messed with it. It's not an entirely different conversation it's the conversation the OP wanted to have before we went way off topic.

Explaining where the idea for the NY1 trigger offers absolutely nothing to this conversation.

You are continually suggesting the trigger is to blame for poor accuracy, which is completely wrong.

I also did not suggest getting a new handgun.

I'm not saying the trigger is completely responsible but it is certainly a factor. I've seen IDPA masters who will pick up a MA compliant Glock and hit nothing on the target until they get used to the gun. Can we compensate? .... sure but why compensate when the trigger is a huge contributing factor?

Also you said:

If you're looking for a hardware change, a full, or even mid, size gun would be more beneficial than swapping trigger configurations. Attributes such as a longer sight radius make your learning a lot easier.

While you never said it verbatim you are letting him think that a bigger gun would be more beneficial than fixing his.

 

[abomb60]

Every competition shooter i've ever met does not shoot a stock gun. All have some sort of trigger jobs that fall under the regulations of whatever type of competition they are in.

That is blatantly false. Please do not use made up data.

How the hell is this made up data? I didn't say 65% of all shooter use modified triggers I said all the ones that I know do which means in my own experience. Does it mean they all do? Of course not.

 

[heavyd]

"If you need help I will Skype or Facetime with you and help you install the parts." - abomb60

This is one of the many reasons I love this place. I'll let you know, brother. I truly appreciate the offer, and I may take you up on it via pm.

 

[mwlabel]

How the hell is this made up data? I didn't say 65% of all shooter use modified triggers I said all the ones that I know do which means in my own experience. Does it mean they all do? Of course not.

There are very strict rules in place that prevent shooters from modifying guns from "Malibu" to "NASCAR" performance.
So you are either making up data to try to prove an arbitrary point, or you are trying to lump Open/Limited shooters into a discussion that does not pertain to them.

"If you need help I will Skype or Facetime with you and help you install the parts." - abomb60

This is one of the many reasons I love this place. I'll let you know, brother. I truly appreciate the offer, and I may take you up on it via pm.

It always helps to have somebody walk you through it the first time, even on the simple stuff. I'd definitely suggest taking him up on it.
Abomb should be able to help you with all things Glock related. Mdwest knows stuff from all across the board. Mickeymorris is our resident AR expert. If you need help with the shooting aspect, let me know. Shooting handguns is where most of my free time goes.

 

[abomb60]

How the hell is this made up data? I didn't say 65% of all shooter use modified triggers I said all the ones that I know do which means in my own experience. Does it mean they all do? Of course not.

There are very strict rules in place that prevent shooters from modifying guns from "Malibu" to "NASCAR" performance.
So you are either making up data to try to prove an arbitrary point, or you are trying to lump Open/Limited shooters into a discussion that does not pertain to them.

"If you need help I will Skype or Facetime with you and help you install the parts." - abomb60

This is one of the many reasons I love this place. I'll let you know, brother. I truly appreciate the offer, and I may take you up on it via pm.

It always helps to have somebody walk you through it the first time, even on the simple stuff. I'd definitely suggest taking him up on it.
Abomb should be able to help you with all things Glock related. Mdwest knows stuff from all across the board. Mickeymorris is our resident AR expert. If you need help with the shooting aspect, let me know. Shooting handguns is where most of my free time goes.

My competition experience is limited to IDPA in which trigger jobs are allowed. I'm yet to come across someone who accepts a stock pistol as competition ready without such a mod. However you are right in that it's not allowed in all competitions or classes. Again i'm not citing any specific data other than the IDPA rulebook and my own experience which may contradict what others have experienced.

I do appreciate that you're experience may be different and I apologize to the OP (and you) that this thread went off topic and became a pissing match. I'm simply stating things as i've experienced them and by no means do I mean to disregard your points. I believe that you are completely correct in your position that shooting fundamentals and training can overcome these issues but I have personally experienced many heavy trigger Glock jobs and was basing my responses on such.

- Adam

 

[Grrrrr609]

Both you guys are correct. Are all the facts right? Idk. Im not studying percentages.

From the armorers standpoint yes you are right. The OPs question was will it help accuracy. Yes maybe. Improving trigger pull will help the shooter with his fundamentals.

From the competitive shooters standpoint yes the fundamentals are paramount.

From the instructors standpoint accuracy is going to be achieved thru the fundamentals of marksmanship. But the novice shooter will not benifit learning proper trigger control with a weapon he cannot pull the trigger on.

Honestly my opinion is its a subcompact. A subcompact with heavier recoil. Not the ideal weapon to learn fundamentals on. And not the ideal weapon for long distances.

Just my 2 cents. Now i remember why i stay outta the gun section of the forum lol.


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[abomb60]

Both you guys are correct. Are all the facts right? Idk. Im not studying percentages.

From the armorers standpoint yes you are right. The OPs question was will it help accuracy. Yes maybe. Improving trigger pull will help the shooter with his fundamentals.

From the competitive shooters standpoint yes the fundamentals are paramount.

From the instructors standpoint accuracy is going to be achieved thru the fundamentals of marksmanship. But the novice shooter will not benifit learning proper trigger control with a weapon he cannot pull the trigger on.

Honestly my opinion is its a subcompact. A subcompact with heavier recoil. Not the ideal weapon to learn fundamentals on. And not the ideal weapon for long distances.

Just my 2 cents. Now i remember why i stay outta the gun section of the forum lol.


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Haha ... I will learn from that lesson

 

[heavyd]

Update (if anyone is interested ). I took my "Baby Glock" to the weapons training guys at my work. They switched out the 8 with the 5 that I bought and I shot about 30 rounds with the new trigger. Honestly, I did not notice a huge difference, but accuracy was slightly better (I shot at 15 and 20 yards only). I'll keep the 5 pounder in the weapon for now. I am a good shot, but I am always looking to improve. Thanks to all of you guys who offered advice (especially abomb, who offered to walk me through it )..