DE Undercrown Dogma?

[Master Shake]

I'm not so sure about a $10 Undercrown. I enjoy the Corona Viva line and a lot of that has to do with its $7ish MSRP pricing and the ability to grab them for $4 and change on cigar monster.

I usually hate anything larger than a 54 RG but I find box pressed RGs of 56 to be far less offensive and much more comfortable to smoke. Some of my favorite sticks are box pressed but I don't see myself grabbing a bundle of these at this price point.

 

[d-boy]

I'd try one if it was sent to me but wouldn't consider buying a bundle by any means. I think the secondary band is why everyone's gonna want one. Hell, to be honest I kinda wanted one when I saw it but remembered it's just a band lol.

Just like those that pay hand over fist for a Nobel pig... It was just a secondary band.

I was naive at the time and just wanted it for the complete picture dammit!!! Lol never again. Lmao

haha that wasn't a stab at you brother, I have no clue what you paid!

But watching people go nuts for them when it was an FFP with a second band.

Total thread derail lol but I thought it was funny. I paid $400 for it. Pretty good deal lol right? Jk double msrp for a FFP and I can't believe I did that looking back at it.

 

[ENV]

J Drew is very good at knowing how to have people overpay for sticks. Hype and rarity. I for one dont mind the UC but they also are not in my top 10 list. They are a good smoke for the price. These IMO are going to be the overpriced rare/gimmicky version to make DE some extra funds on the same blend.

But I do say this... JD if you are reading this. Make an UF-13 Lancero.

Trust me

 

[ar2381]

[Insert typical hater response here]



Seriously, enough "new" vitolas already. Get back to making the cigars everyone wants instead of marketing more filler sticks into the catalog. I'm not impressed. Now if they came out and said the L40s was finally going to be a true "regular production" cigar and it wouldn't get marked up to 20 dollars by retailers trying to hold onto stock for the wow factor, I'd be excited...

This isn't a filler stick though. It's a limited release for the Cigar Dojo through Smoke Inn. Typically, I don't think of store exclusives as being fillers for their list of cigars. Store exclusives/private labels are meant to give certain retailers a cigar to enhance them, and separate them from other merchants. DE has done this in the past with UF-4. I get that as a cigar smoker you want them to come out with more products that are readily available and not limited, but limited edition cigars do enhance the reputation of the company and creates a buzz and demand that is helpful in the long run. I don't think DE ignores their regular portfolio of cigars to focus on limited edition and store exclusive cigars, but that is just my opinion.

 

[sofc]

l I like the Undercrown Corona Viva blend, but I can't bring myself to spend $10 on an Undercrown blend. Now $2? Even then only once in a while.

Agreed with the BOLD changes.

 

[ar2381]

J Drew is very good at knowing how to have people overpay for sticks. Hype and rarity. I for one dont mind the UC but they also are not in my top 10 list. They are a good smoke for the price. These IMO are going to be the overpriced rare/gimmicky version to make DE some extra funds on the same blend.

But I do say this... JD if you are reading this. Make an UF-13 Lancero.

Trust me

Eddy, the benefit of private label or store exclusive cigars are meant to help the retailer who has exclusive rights to it. Being able to offer something that exclusive gets people to go out of their way to shop at their store. The store often benefits more than the cigar maker, but ultimately it helps the cigar maker improve the relationship between them in the retailer. It's the same reason why Drew Estate is putting a lounge in Corona. It enhances their relationship and rewards the retailer for creating a strong relationship.

 

[K Williams]

They have the wackiest contest/freebie sign-up ever. LOL. Can't wait for this new vitola to hit the market!

 

[stukibuilt]

[Insert typical hater response here]



Seriously, enough "new" vitolas already. Get back to making the cigars everyone wants instead of marketing more filler sticks into the catalog. I'm not impressed. Now if they came out and said the L40s was finally going to be a true "regular production" cigar and it wouldn't get marked up to 20 dollars by retailers trying to hold onto stock for the wow factor, I'd be excited...

This isn't a filler stick though. It's a limited release for the Cigar Dojo through Smoke Inn. Typically, I don't think of store exclusives as being fillers for their list of cigars. Store exclusives/private labels are meant to give certain retailers a cigar to enhance them, and separate them from other merchants. DE has done this in the past with UF-4. I get that as a cigar smoker you want them to come out with more products that are readily available and not limited, but limited edition cigars do enhance the reputation of the company and creates a buzz and demand that is helpful in the long run. I don't think DE ignores their regular portfolio of cigars to focus on limited edition and store exclusive cigars, but that is just my opinion.

I get you are in the industry. That's how I'm viewing your reply. I am no stranger to marketing. Call it what you want. Hype is just that. In the end, you have a box pressed UC you paid 3 bucks more for. The double banded pigs mentioned above are worse because there isn't even a change in profile due to the different vitola. There is no reason to hype over it.

I don't think your statement about them neglecting other lines to do these kinds of limited runs is accurate. Man power and resources are limited. If you allocate them somewhere, they can't be used somewhere else. Time and money are finite. I understand there are a limited number of rollers in their employ who can make the Unico cigars. Sounds like money would be well spent training more to be able to make the cigars people are stepping on each other to get at a competitive price point.

I may be wrong, and if someone has some real info and not conjecture then I stand to be corrected. That said, it won't make me want this UC. I'll leave it to the hype beasts ...

 

[H3rrington]

I started off in this hobby a DE fanboy. I wanted to collect all the LEs and unicos. I would pay any price to have a completed set. And then it clicked. It's a cigar... And I realized I'd rather have a bunch of tats I enjoy and can re supply than a LE DE that I paid more than it's worth and can't get again even if I like it.


I find myself more and more annoyed with DE each time they release another stick instead of working to make the products they already have in their line up more accessible.

The UC is still one of my favorite sticks. But that's because it's easily accessible and is at a OKAY price point for me and my budget. But the UC lancero and the UC box press don't interest me. I wish JD the best and think he's a great guy with a great dream. But id rather spend my money supporting guys like Jon huber and Pete Johnson.

EDIT: Changed DE to UC

 

[Mr.Maduro]

I will give it a whirl, fo sho! Been enjoying the Punch Rare El Doble 60x60. at a Not usually a box press guy. But at that size I like.

 

[xddco]

[Insert typical hater response here]



Seriously, enough "new" vitolas already. Get back to making the cigars everyone wants instead of marketing more filler sticks into the catalog. I'm not impressed. Now if they came out and said the L40s was finally going to be a true "regular production" cigar and it wouldn't get marked up to 20 dollars by retailers trying to hold onto stock for the wow factor, I'd be excited...

This isn't a filler stick though. It's a limited release for the Cigar Dojo through Smoke Inn. Typically, I don't think of store exclusives as being fillers for their list of cigars. Store exclusives/private labels are meant to give certain retailers a cigar to enhance them, and separate them from other merchants. DE has done this in the past with UF-4. I get that as a cigar smoker you want them to come out with more products that are readily available and not limited, but limited edition cigars do enhance the reputation of the company and creates a buzz and demand that is helpful in the long run. I don't think DE ignores their regular portfolio of cigars to focus on limited edition and store exclusive cigars, but that is just my opinion.

You are correct. They make a product and sell it. If it didn't sell, they wouldn't make it. This special stuff is something that they get approached and paid to do, outside of regular production, and I am pretty sure that the DE staff doesn't sit around the pool and dream about what and where the next LE will be. Pete does LE all the time too... it's business. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Somebody else will.

 

[JD_Howard]

The B&M around me sells doble UC for $9 a stick, so the price tag isn't that far off from what I am used to. Naturally, I can get them cheaper off line. From the several things I have already read on this stick, it is based off of the CV blend...but has its own tweaks. So luckily it's not completely more of the same in a different shape. I'll probably be down for a bundle just to show support to the Dojo and the retailer...guess that is just how I roll. UC is not in my top list, but it's not a bad stick in my opinion.

Edit:: I am a huge fan of Pete and Jon as well and would buy their stuff before this one...but this falls in between releases, so I'm safe lol

 

[Hoshneer]

I started off in this hobby a DE fanboy. I wanted to collect all the LEs and unicos. I would pay any price to have a completed set. And then it clicked. It's a cigar... And I realized I'd rather have a bunch of tats I enjoy and can re supply than a LE DE that I paid more than it's worth and can't get again even if I like it.


I find myself more and more annoyed with DE each time they release another stick instead of working to make the products they already have in their line up more accessible.

The UC is still one of my favorite sticks. But that's because it's easily accessible and is at a OKAY price point for me and my budget. But the DE lancero and the DE box press don't interest me. I wish JD the best and think he's a great guy with a great dream. But id rather spend my money supporting guys like Jon huber and Pete Johnson.

And now it's time to quote you. This is exactly how I started and feel as well more and more lately. The hype is just so much it burns you out quickly.

 

[StogieNinja]

I find myself more and more annoyed with DE each time they release another stick instead of working to make the products they already have in their line up more accessible.

Those aren't mutually exclusive things, as the blends are totally different. If you have plenty of tobacco to make Undercrowns, and not enough tobacco to make more Unicos, you make more Undercrowns. But that doesn't mean you're making less Unicos.

I think the secondary band is why everyone's gonna want one. Hell, to be honest I kinda wanted one when I saw it but remembered it's just a band lol.

Forget the second band, it's the Corona Viva blend in a larger format. If this were a standard toro, I'd seek 'em out to try them. I like the Corona Viva blend a lot better, it just has that extra bit of sparkle to it. It's the box press that makes me shy from these. Well, that and it's $10.

 

[JD_Howard]

Aye, they said the CV blend with more "kick"...whatever that means

 

[HP123]

Aye, they said the CV blend with more "kick"...whatever that means

More ligero in the blend.

 

[klyoung3]

I started off in this hobby a DE fanboy. I wanted to collect all the LEs and unicos. I would pay any price to have a completed set. And then it clicked. It's a cigar... And I realized I'd rather have a bunch of tats I enjoy and can re supply than a LE DE that I paid more than it's worth and can't get again even if I like it.

I find myself more and more annoyed with DE each time they release another stick instead of working to make the products they already have in their line up more accessible.

The UC is still one of my favorite sticks. But that's because it's easily accessible and is at a OKAY price point for me and my budget. But the UC lancero and the UC box press don't interest me. I wish JD the best and think he's a great guy with a great dream. But id rather spend my money supporting guys like Jon huber and Pete Johnson.

EDIT: Changed DE to UC

Thank you for posting this. I to started off as a DE fanboy and still am somewhat. I love the LP and Unico line but it is starting to get old having to search for em then pay an inflated price. I just recently started smoking tats and have found them much easier to find, not as jacked up in price, and just as enjoyable.

Forget the second band, it's the Corona Viva blend in a larger format. If this were a standard toro, I'd seek 'em out to try them. I like the Corona Viva blend a lot better, it just has that extra bit of sparkle to it. It's the box press that makes me shy from these. Well, that and it's $10.

Is the UC corona viva a different blend from the other UC's? I have heard yes and no but do not know who is right. Just wondering if you have a definite answer to that.

Also, since the Noble Pig is a FFP with an extra band and no blend change or size change, what would stop people from recreating the band, apply it to a FFP, then jacking up the price? I know that is fucked up and immoral, but just a thought that I had.

 

[HP123]

I started off in this hobby a DE fanboy. I wanted to collect all the LEs and unicos. I would pay any price to have a completed set. And then it clicked. It's a cigar... And I realized I'd rather have a bunch of tats I enjoy and can re supply than a LE DE that I paid more than it's worth and can't get again even if I like it.

I find myself more and more annoyed with DE each time they release another stick instead of working to make the products they already have in their line up more accessible.

The UC is still one of my favorite sticks. But that's because it's easily accessible and is at a OKAY price point for me and my budget. But the UC lancero and the UC box press don't interest me. I wish JD the best and think he's a great guy with a great dream. But id rather spend my money supporting guys like Jon huber and Pete Johnson.

EDIT: Changed DE to UC

Thank you for posting this. I to started off as a DE fanboy and still am somewhat. I love the LP and Unico line but it is starting to get old having to search for em then pay an inflated price. I just recently started smoking tats and have found them much easier to find, not as jacked up in price, and just as enjoyable.

Forget the second band, it's the Corona Viva blend in a larger format. If this were a standard toro, I'd seek 'em out to try them. I like the Corona Viva blend a lot better, it just has that extra bit of sparkle to it. It's the box press that makes me shy from these. Well, that and it's $10.

Is the UC corona viva a different blend from the other UC's? I have heard yes and no but do not know who is right. Just wondering if you have a definite answer to that.

Quote from this link: http://halfwheel.com/review-undercrown-corona-viva-prerelease

"Steve Saka, president of Drew Estate, described it to halfwheel a few months ago:

The blend has been slightly adjusted to work best in this format and as a result it has been slightly increased in strength while remaining true to the blend’s inherent natural tobacco sweetness and lush earthy core. It is EXCEPTIONAL – I smoked over 50 of these in the last 2 weeks and am disappointed that I have personally depleted my stock.

The Undercrown Corona ¡Viva! uses all of the same tobacco although the proportions are a bit different in regards to visa, seco and ligero."

 

[klyoung3]

Thank you for that. The Viva has always been my favorite in the line but I was attributing it to the smaller RG and not a blend change.

 

[onetoomany]

got the email too. i def want to give it a shot. box press is awesome