FDA Releases Proposed Regulations
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thejavaman
BoM December 2012
America has turned into a "nanny state" and it's past the point of disconcerting. I'm a grown ass man and if I want to smoke cigars (or use any other tobacco product), I should be able to do it without the government interfering in any way, shape or form. I was also expecting far worse than what came out today. The CRA needs to start another round of heavy lobbying to make certain that at least premium cigars are exempt from this overreaching act. :argh:
#tlordisfiredup #getfiredup
I agree fully with this, but remember, if this goes through without people making noise, they will just keep coming back for more!
How you liking Obamas change now?
Folks this is how some politicians feel they are elected to control our lives, but exempt themselves, I'm a lifetime member of the CRA. If you are not a member, then why aren't you, get involved, write to your elected officials, and tell them how opposed you are to this and the cost of more American jobs this will be.
Folks this is how some politicians feel they are elected to control our lives, but exempt themselves, I'm a lifetime member of the CRA. If you are not a member, then why aren't you, get involved, write to your elected officials, and tell them how opposed you are to this and the cost of more American jobs this will be.
+1 :applause:
Angry Bill is fired up! Preach brother!
And for those that don't think it will cost American jobs, I offer you this. Cigars will be priced higher and harder for manufacturers to sell in the US. Which them affects shipping product to the US (shipping jobs), then retailers won't have product or will shut down completely as the prices will keep them from being competitive (more jobs) and manufacturers based out of the US may be forced to cease their lines ( more jobs). Reps, marketing companies, magazines, hotels for trade shows, tobacco growers in the US will all have job cuts.
So get involved gents.
So get involved gents.
All the more reason to stock up now!!!
3/5King
Shwing!
I foresee online retailers setting up shop overseas. This way the laws wouldn't apply?? Like for say Famous Smoke moving their humi across the boarder and shipping internationally to the US?
I haven't read the full document, but I'm assuming you're seeing a loophole here.
If that were the case, they could probably follow the Apple model, and set up their "headquarters" across the boarder for certain exemptions, but still operate primarily in the US.
StogieNinja
Derek | BoM June 2014
Geez. I missed that one... priced at over $10 to be considered premium? That's crazy. So a regular guy won't be able to afford regular cigar smoking anymore.
Also, Pt 8 is worrisome, and is 100% indicative of how little they understand the industry. "We're fine with a poser smoking a really expensive jawbreaker, but no petit coronas for you aficionados!" I'm not trying to disparage those who smoke big cigars, my main point is that it's generally aficionados who tend towards the smaller sticks -lanceros, petit coronas, etc. these days, so to say it has to be a large cigar to be a premium cigar just shows how little they understand.
3/5King
Shwing!
#8 is not concerning. 6lbs at 1000 units is around 2.7grams. Coronas are twice that, even petite coronas probably register higher. They are trying to weed out cigarillos and the likes I'd assume.
I'm unclear on the oversight the federal government has on imports.
What I mean by that is they don't have jurisdiction to do a surprise inspection (or any inspection) of, let's say, the Drew Estate factory in Nicaragua.
So while they can not watch cigar assembly and therefor determine that DE is in fact not using any additives to the leaf on the wrapper, I am assuming they would have no choice but to randomly stop shipments and tear the cigars apart in an FDA lab? I really have no idea if that is what they do, I am trying to grasp how this would work.
my sentiments exactly ...
being that Everyone is on the take , the best move i see is, and its worked before, that CRA cuts some bribe checks and have Boehner pass em out to congress.
God Bless Habanos
The section to the proposed rule below shows that since the heavier regulations have been placed on cigarettes, the amount of cigar usage increased rapidly. It is trying to draw a conclusion that once cigarettes became harder to obtain, smokers switched over to cigars. That is completely ridiculous on so many levels.
So now that you guys made cigarettes 8 dollars a pack, smokers were like fuck this, and started smoking 10 dollar cigars!?
This substitution is evidenced in the recent trends regarding cigarette consumption
compared to the use of other combustible tobacco products (e.g., small and large cigars, pipe
tobacco, and roll-your-own tobacco). For example, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC) reported a 32.8 percent decrease in cigarette consumption between 2000 and
2011, while the consumption of non-cigarette combustible products increased from 15.2 billion
"cigarette equivalents" (i.e., small cigars and large cigars, and per-cigarette equivalents for pipe
tobacco and roll-your-own tobacco) to 33.8 billion--a 123.1 percent increase over the same time
period (Ref. 22). Pipe tobacco consumption during this period increased 482.1 percent, and
consumption of large cigars increased 233.1 percent (id.). This research suggests that recent
changes in consumption of non-cigarette combustible products, particularly increases in large
cigar and pipe tobacco use, are associated with a decline in cigarette consumption, and indicate
that certain cigarette smokers may switch to non-cigarette combustible products (id. at 567).
While researchers posited that this change in prevalence rates is likely due to the lower taxes
(and ultimately lower cost to the consumer) (id. at 566), the lack of regulation over certain
tobacco products may be a contributing factor. Without a common regulatory framework,
tobacco firms can exploit differences in regulatory requirements to drive consumers to different
product markets.
So now that you guys made cigarettes 8 dollars a pack, smokers were like fuck this, and started smoking 10 dollar cigars!?
This substitution is evidenced in the recent trends regarding cigarette consumption
compared to the use of other combustible tobacco products (e.g., small and large cigars, pipe
tobacco, and roll-your-own tobacco). For example, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC) reported a 32.8 percent decrease in cigarette consumption between 2000 and
2011, while the consumption of non-cigarette combustible products increased from 15.2 billion
"cigarette equivalents" (i.e., small cigars and large cigars, and per-cigarette equivalents for pipe
tobacco and roll-your-own tobacco) to 33.8 billion--a 123.1 percent increase over the same time
period (Ref. 22). Pipe tobacco consumption during this period increased 482.1 percent, and
consumption of large cigars increased 233.1 percent (id.). This research suggests that recent
changes in consumption of non-cigarette combustible products, particularly increases in large
cigar and pipe tobacco use, are associated with a decline in cigarette consumption, and indicate
that certain cigarette smokers may switch to non-cigarette combustible products (id. at 567).
While researchers posited that this change in prevalence rates is likely due to the lower taxes
(and ultimately lower cost to the consumer) (id. at 566), the lack of regulation over certain
tobacco products may be a contributing factor. Without a common regulatory framework,
tobacco firms can exploit differences in regulatory requirements to drive consumers to different
product markets.
All this from the same Government agency handling Obamacare, at least we can all find comfort in that. smh
