Certified Vintage Ciagrs

[THEMISCHMAN]

I got an email toady from JRCigars about there auctions. I clicked on it and was looking to see what they had and I noticed some of the auctions said "Certified Vintage". It got me wondering if these cigars are well aged, is Certified Vintage a real thing or is it just fancy wording used to make a cigar sound more appealing than it really is. Here is the link so you can see what I was looking at.

http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm/hurl/evt=dutchAuctions?trk_msg=JQJU64OJEK14710L7H4PB1BR0G&trk_contact=S41UC7070M69MC47NF84H93AHK&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Auctions&utm_campaign=Dutch+Auction

So what are your thoughts? Is Certified Vintage a real thing or is it marketing.

 

[AlohaStyle]

Are these statements real, or is it marketing?

"El Rey Del Mundo is an old brand whose roots can be traced back to 1848 Cuba. While many things have changed throughout the years their commitment to quality and construction have not."

"The sister brand to Partagas and for all intents and purposes like two peas in a pod, this brand never really took hold in the American Market despite it Cuban lineage."


Your guess is as good as anyone if the tobacco is the age they claim. But, I personally can't stand General and Altadis for stealing Cuban brand names and wording their sales so naïve people actually believe these cigars are related to Cuban cigars. They have absolutely nothing to do with the Cuban brands with the same name and yet read those statements from the sale of those cigars.

 

[jrtaster]

Just on general principles, if the non-Cuban Cubans are even a gentle poke in the eye to the Cuban cigar cartel, I wish them well.
Castro's Cuba expropriated these names/brands/companies without compensation. Who says they have the sole right to market
those brand names?? Who says the Cubans really are the only ones who can make superior cigars.
For those who worship Cubans, have at it! That adulation need not cloud judgment on the "validity" of U.S. firms to sell Cohibas,
R&J's or whatever other former "Cuban" brands as their own.

 

[AlohaStyle]

Just on general principles, if the non-Cuban Cubans are even a gentle poke in the eye to the Cuban cigar cartel, I wish them well.
Castro's Cuba expropriated these names/brands/companies without compensation. Who says they have the sole right to market
those brand names?? Who says the Cubans really are the only ones who can make superior cigars.
For those who worship Cubans, have at it! That adulation need not cloud judgment on the "validity" of U.S. firms to sell Cohibas,
R&J's or whatever other former "Cuban" brands as their own.

lol...

 

[StogieNinja]

For those who worship Cubans, have at it! That adulation need not cloud judgment on the "validity" of U.S. firms to sell Cohibas,
R&J's or whatever other former "Cuban" brands as their own.

And for those that don't, your scorn for Cuba need not confuse property rights arguments with objections about misleading advertising. Regardless of how you feel about the copyright issue, it's the fact that General and Altadis willfully and purposefully attempt to mislead the uneducated American consumer with their advertising that has Ryan (and me) upset with them.

 

[JDog]

So what are your thoughts? Is Certified Vintage a real thing or is it marketing.

It looks like they are selling older inventory. I've seen it at B&Ms, where they have a vintage room. I'm not sure how they would "Certify" it. I don't think any of those listings have a box code, similar to Illussione or Tatuaje, etc. Buy a box and let us know. If you enjoy those brands and smoke it regularly, it would be fun to hear if the vintage stocks tastes age.

 

[CWS]

This is a certified vintage cigar. A clear Havana Cuban from the 1950's. Every once in a while some one grabs some of these. They are very interesting smoke.

 

[Hoshneer]

These are cigars that just don't sell. Hell a couple of these I can get locally cause they have been sitting there and nobody wants them.

 

[StocktonJohn]

I've seen these advertised as well...they were pretty mediocre when young so my guess is they are now milder ...and mediocre.

 

[THEMISCHMAN]

These are cigars that just don't sell. Hell a couple of these I can get locally cause they have been sitting there and nobody wants them.

That's kinda how I took it. I'm sure they're not horrible cigars (maybe they are, I don't know) but I had never seen a cigar advertised as "Certified" before.

 

[jrtaster]

Hard to imagine that many consumers actually believe the ERDM's they buy from JR's are of Cuban origin. Of Cuban tradition maybe. But the online and catalog descriptions clearly state the country of origin.
Does anyone buying domestic "Pilsner-style" beers truly believe they originate in the Czech Republic?
It seems to me the intelligence of the cigar buyer doesn't seem to garner much respect here. All the respondents seem to be pretty clear about the origin of General Cigars' non-Cuban brands.
So just who are the supposed victims of the "misleading" puffery, which on careful reading is pretty innocuous, no? I bet more "naïve" and "uneducated American buyers" have been cheated believing they just bought genuine Cubans on a back street in Mexico City than those mislead by some verbiage in a JR catalog.

 

[StogieNinja]

They're using phrases like "traced back to Cuba" and "two peas in a pod" and "Cuban lineage." No one thinks they're real Cubans. A LOT of people think they're connected, and they're absolutely not.

The pilsner example you gave doesn't apply, because in your example, they're not using the same name.

It would be like if there was a line of crappy whisky made from poor ingredients was launched in Japan, and called "Lagavulin", and was touted as being "traced back to Scotland" and of "Scottish lineage." People would naturally assume they were connected, regardless of country of origin, because they were being told there was a connection.

 

[DanLAXX1]

When I first started smoking I, for one, thought they were related. I figured it was one company and they had a Cuban side and a non-Cuban side. What did I know? Of course now I know better.

 

[THEMISCHMAN]

I think we've gotten away from my original question but that's ok. Maybe I wasn't clear or maybe there's a little trolling going on but either way it's entertaining. The whole argument regarding "Cuban this" or "Non Cuban that" is moot and not what I was asking. I was initially trying to find out if there was any merit to the the whole "Certified Vintage" cigar bit. I wasn't sure if that meant that they were cigars that were actually produced during said year or if it was just old stock that was on-hand or just bogus jargon. I'm beginning to lean towards the latter. I think the term "Vintage" used in most things other than wine is just some BS hipster term to make something seem a little cooler than it really is.

 

[JDog]

I was initially trying to find out if there was any merit to the the whole "Certified Vintage" cigar bit. I wasn't sure if that meant that they were cigars that were actually produced during said year or if it was just old stock that was on-hand or just bogus jargon. I'm beginning to lean towards the latter.

The "Certified Vintage" is certainly marketing, but I think they are honestly selling vintage stock from the advertised year. For example, HdM Excalibur from 2001 are probably from that year. I remember smoking this cigar back in the late 90s. It's an older line. The only way to truly verify that is seeing the cigar. The band will be different than from today's production. I actually just pulled a old Perelman's Pocket Cyclodedia of Cigars from 1997 and can see the old band in an advertisement... brings back memories. LOL.

There are B&Ms that will have "Vintage" aging rooms. I have never seen a B&M use the term "Certified." Hopefully, that answers your question. I really do not have experience with other cigars termed "Vintage" though on that website link. As I said in my earlier post, buy some and smoke them to see. Look at the bands, etc.

Thank you for the link!

 

[THEMISCHMAN]

I was initially trying to find out if there was any merit to the the whole "Certified Vintage" cigar bit. I wasn't sure if that meant that they were cigars that were actually produced during said year or if it was just old stock that was on-hand or just bogus jargon. I'm beginning to lean towards the latter.

The "Certified Vintage" is certainly marketing, but I think they are honestly selling vintage stock from the advertised year. For example, HdM Excalibur from 2001 are probably from that year. I remember smoking this cigar back in the late 90s. It's an older line. The only way to truly verify that is seeing the cigar. The band will be different than from today's production. I actually just pulled a old Perelman's Pocket Cyclodedia of Cigars from 1997 and can see the old band in an advertisement... brings back memories. LOL.

There are B&Ms that will have "Vintage" aging rooms. I have never seen a B&M use the term "Certified." Hopefully, that answers your question. I really do not have experience with other cigars termed "Vintage" though on that website link. As I said in my earlier post, buy some and smoke them to see. Look at the bands, etc.

Thank you for the link!

Thank you for the knowledge.

 

[jrtaster]

I think we've gotten away from my original question but that's ok. Maybe I wasn't clear or maybe there's a little trolling going on but either way it's entertaining. The whole argument regarding "Cuban this" or "Non Cuban that" is moot and not what I was asking. I was initially trying to find out if there was any merit to the the whole "Certified Vintage" cigar bit. I wasn't sure if that meant that they were cigars that were actually produced during said year or if it was just old stock that was on-hand or just bogus jargon. I'm beginning to lean towards the latter. I think the term "Vintage" used in most things other than wine is just some BS hipster term to make something seem a little cooler than it really is.

Yes, and although I wasn't trolling, I do apologize that I contributed to the drift away from your original post.
Sorry!

 

[CWS]

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