tupperware in fridge?

[sofc]

So you ask a question and get an answer and decide to ignore it. Why even bother asking?

Again, it's your sticks, your money, you may do with it what you like.

Here's how it goes usually for people who actually freeze the sticks because of fear of beetles. Fridge for 2/3 days, freezer for 2-5 days, fridge again for 2/3 days and back to humidor.

 

[Xavier Dredo]

Get a cheap analog temp controller from a Home Brew Supply company and you can set the Fridge to 65 degrees. Set to a 2 degree differential the fridge should only kick on for a few minutes every 30 minutes or so.

 

[Zigarro]

So you ask a question and get an answer and decide to ignore it. Why even bother asking?

Again, it's your sticks, your money, you may do with it what you like.
Here's how it goes usually for people who actually freeze the sticks because of fear of beetles. Fridge for 2/3 days, freezer for 2-5 days, fridge again for 2/3 days and back to humidor.

Ouch! Tad harsh, no? Actually F/D got various answers- which one do you object to him ignoring? Yours? I checked the beetle issue on Cigar Adviser http://www.famous-smoke.com/cigaradvisor/cigar-beetles-and-freezing-cigars and they are talking about a home freezer, after the bug outbreak. In order to kill the eggs, cigars have to be frozen at -40, (minus forty) degrees for at least two weeks. Like I said before, the bigger suppliers are doing that already:

Re: How to properly freeze cigars?
"Up until recently, the attempt was to destroy the beetle and the larvae of the infested cigars by shock-freezing them at the temperature of minus 20 to 22 degrees centigrade. Tobacco importers, though not all of them, are deep-freezing their tobaccos, as well as their cigars, for up to 14 days.
Tobacco importers like Philipp Schuster of August Schuster Cigarrenfabrik in Bünde, fared very well with this method - however at a freezing temperature of minus 28 degrees centigrade! "At higher freezing temperatures, the larvae and eggs of the to-bacco beetle can still survive, even if the moths themselves die". This is exactly the point. Botanists also admit the survivability, even at low temperatures."
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/h...g101_14ymt.asp
So, I guess the effect that freezing in a home freezer is debatable and varies greatly depending upon where you go for info, but if it makes you feel better about the little buggers..."

I'm in the process of bringing a tupper box up to 70% so I can complete a test run in my fridge and after a week in there, I'll give out my result if this thread isn't dead by then.
Actually, Snake is the only one whose comment gave me pause so that's why I'm testing the theory. To be cont...

 

[FireDragon]

I checked some of the cigars- I don't see any visible condensation. But I'll give it a few hours then I'll inspect them closer after they warm up.

 

[sofc]

Ouch! Tad harsh, no? Actually F/D got various answers- which one do you object to him ignoring? Yours? I checked the beetle issue on Cigar Adviser http://www.famous-smoke.com/cigaradvisor/cigar-beetles-and-freezing-cigars and they are talking about a home freezer, after the bug outbreak. In order to kill the eggs, cigars have to be frozen at -40, (minus forty) degrees for at least two weeks. Like I said before, the bigger suppliers are doing that already:

Re: How to properly freeze cigars?
"Up until recently, the attempt was to destroy the beetle and the larvae of the infested cigars by shock-freezing them at the temperature of minus 20 to 22 degrees centigrade. Tobacco importers, though not all of them, are deep-freezing their tobaccos, as well as their cigars, for up to 14 days.
Tobacco importers like Philipp Schuster of August Schuster Cigarrenfabrik in Bünde, fared very well with this method - however at a freezing temperature of minus 28 degrees centigrade! "At higher freezing temperatures, the larvae and eggs of the to-bacco beetle can still survive, even if the moths themselves die". This is exactly the point. Botanists also admit the survivability, even at low temperatures."
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/h...g101_14ymt.asp
So, I guess the effect that freezing in a home freezer is debatable and varies greatly depending upon where you go for info, but if it makes you feel better about the little buggers..."

I'm in the process of bringing a tupper box up to 70% so I can complete a test run in my fridge and after a week in there, I'll give out my result if this thread isn't dead by then.
Actually, Snake is the only one whose comment gave me pause so that's why I'm testing the theory. To be cont...

Didn't think it was that harsh. If it was, I apologize.

Just have a simple question. Fridges, especially used ones are very very cheap relative to other similar sized humidos, walk ins. Why do b&ms or most serious collectors not keep their cigars in refrigerators?

 

[dharbolt]

Summer will eventually be rolling around and since I live in an apartment in Florida, I'm thinking about what to do to avoid tobacco beetles. I know many have suggested a wineador, but I already use a refrigerator to store tobacco products, e-liquid, batteries, and toiletries/cosmetics. My Li-ion batteries go in the freezer compartment, but I have used it to freeze new cigars as well. I run the fridge on the lowest setting and the top shelf is about 48F. It's just a place to keep things cool. So, I am wondering if it would be OK to put some small Rubbermaid contaners in the fridge with Boveda packs and if they would be OK?

Otherwise, I may look into a small wine cooler unit- whatever it is, it needs to be energy efficient and not noisy or distracting.

Freezing temperatures are very bad for batteries life span. Especially lithium ion

 

[dharbolt]

Because RH stands for 'Relative Humidity'. It's a measurement of the % of moisture in the air as compared to the maximum moisture the air can hold at a given temperature. That's a bit of an oversimplification but the concept holds true. Anyway, warm air holds more moisture than colder air, thus there is more moisture at 65% RH at 70 degrees F, then there is at 65% at 55 degrees F.

The applications of this are important. If you were to take an "air-tight" container at say 70% RH at room temp, and put it in the refrigerator, you would likely over time see condensation form inside the container because the air inside cooled and could no longer hold the water vapor.

This concept is why hygrometers for humidors are really not very accurate as they don't factor in atmospheric pressure and temperature when measuring relative humidity.

The graph shows the relationship between temperature and the amount of moisture in the air, relative to a change in temperature.

Smrt

 

[FireDragon]

FWIW, I would not keep something like a vintage cigar or a super-premium cigar in a fridge,. But 2-4 dollar sticks? I feel I can risk it, especially because the risk of tobacco beetles is real.

 

[Zigarro]

I'm bored with this issue; I use a wineador so I have no vested interest...

 

[CaptainSaint]

...this escalated quickly lol

 

[Zigarro]

...this escalated quickly lol

Opinions; everybody's got one, right?

 

[CaptainSaint]

Opinions; everybody's got one, right?

Yup all one can do is research and dissect the information given and make the most informed decision he/she possibly can...if it works out great if it doesn't then chalk it up to a learning experience

 

[Craig Mac]

My biggest concern is even with a Boveda it would not be able to absorb the amount of humidity being created in a compressor based refrigerator to maintain a balanced RH. It is a 2 way product, but it can only absorb so much, that is why it works so well in regulated humidors and environments that have cedar to help maintain a balance. If you put a Boveda in a dry box it will dry out, put it in a wet environment it will eventually stop absorbing.

Here is some info regarding temp:

What temperature is best for storage?

70 degrees. - Although cooler storage temperatures are definitely not a problem for cigars (as long as you maintain a reasonable relative humidity).

Why do we attempt to keep them at 70 deg. then? The key is in the subtle difference between stable storage and true aging. Your cigars will not age, mature, mellow, or develop the complex character of well cured smokes at lower temperatures. The blended tobaccos will not "marry", and if you're keeping them for a long time you won't get the subtle changes in flavor.

There have been several long threads on the need to age La Gloria Cubanas, for example. These will stay "green" much longer if aged at cooler temperatures.

At higher temperatures, there are several insects to worry about. The microscopic eggs of the dreaded tobacco beetle, for instance, hatch at temperatures above 80 degrees.

 

[Cigary43]

I've never understood why lower temps hurt cigars, when the bigger manufacturers freeze their product at -40 for two weeks before they go on the market? I seriously doubt storing an air-tight Tupperware with a Boveda in a fridge can harm a stick. The main problem I've encountered with my wineador, is when it's cooling, there's condensate to deal with which WILL induce mold. I recently laid a 9" stocking filled with beads across the back floor to absorb the moisture and I'm careful not to allow containers to touch the back wall. Many are Blessed to live in cooler climes and have a basement, but here in Texas, it gets hot as hell in summer and one must cool his sticks! Good luck...

Storing cigars in a fridge will dry out the tobacco over time. Cigars are meant to flourish in the same environment they came from...70/70 and while some tend to think that storage inside a fridge can't hurt are missing the point of storage altogether. Freezing cigars are meant to kill beetle larvae....not for storage and storing them just under freezing temps is not ideal....you want a good freeze. Here is a link for freezing: http://www.botl.org/threads/freezing-cigars.21257/

 

[FireDragon]

I'm bored with this issue; I use a wineador so I have no vested interest...

I've actually ordered one as I know the fridge is not a long-term solution but now I'm confused as to whether it is a good idea to store theme inside Tupperware inside the wine cooler, or to convert the whole thing into a humidor. I was actually thinking of using it to refrigerate a little bit of wine at 65 degrees as well. Has anyone does this, or is this a bad idea?

I'm not a casual wine drinker, in fact I drink de-alcoholed wine occasionally (I have health issues with alcohol so I'm a non-drinker), so its no biggy if its not a good idea.

 

[Zigarro]

I've actually ordered one as I know the fridge is not a long-term solution but now I'm confused as to whether it is a good idea to store theme inside Tupperware inside the wine cooler, or to convert the whole thing into a humidor. I was actually thinking of using it to refrigerate a little bit of wine at 65 degrees as well. Has anyone does this, or is this a bad idea?

I'm not a casual wine drinker, in fact I drink de-alcoholed wine occasionally (I have health issues with alcohol so I'm a non-drinker), so its no biggy if its not a good idea.

A thermoelectric wine cooler is ideal for cigar storage. It can not get cold enough to hurt them and I've read posts from several who store stogies with their reds. You do not need a Tupperware inside it.

 

[Craig Mac]

Thermoelectric has the advantage of not using a compressor, the compressor will cause condensation where a thermoelectric won't, that is the main reason people use them. It will get cold and some of them will not go above 60 degrees, that is why guys buy an external temperature controller (ETC) and set it to their desired temperature.