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Reader be warned... I am newb and I am learning a lot as I go. I am hoping I can get some advice on my problem but please, be gentle. :drowning:

I recently purchased two boxes of cigars at an event from my local B&M. I unfortunately I think they may be over humidified and may be ruined. I am waiting to rent a locker from a local B&M as my home will not allow cigar storage due to low humidity levels and temps close to 90º during the summer months when I am not home. Right now my conditions vary between 70º and 78º inside the home with RH ~25-35% but this may or may not be a factor to my problem, please see below.

Let me explain what's going on...

When I purchased these cigars from the B&M they were stored in their original boxes within their celo with two of the gel vials (2") in a large zip-locked bagged. The cigars stayed in this bag, in their boxs, for about a week before I removed them. The reason I removed them from their boxes was because they felt a little too firm to me. So, I removed them from the boxes and placed them in the zip lock baggie (still in their celo) with 72% boveda bag. Last week I decided to take them out of their celo because they still felt hard and a friend told me "you don't really need to remove them from the celo, but give it a shot..." so I did. I did not smoke one but I wanted to see if they would losen up a little and feel a little less firm and more of what I am used to feeling when I buy a cigar from my B&M. Over the weekend I removed one from the bag, still felt just as firm, but I decided to smoke it anyway. Gross... It was unsmokeable. I chaulked this up to "has to have been a bad cigar" so I tried another one tonight, same thing, tasted like crap. The taste can only be decribed as incredibly bitter and paint-like. There was some of the flavor there but it was definitely unsmokeable... My friend had indicated this is probably the result of an over humidified cigar. The cigars are all very hard though... I would think of an over humidified cigar to be very spongey or soggy... However, I did find one the 2" gel vials in the bag and this is leading me to think that he was right about over humidification. Is it possibly that the 2" gel vial and that Boveda Bag just introduced too much humidity? It is also noted that up until now the bag had very little air in it and was packed with ~40 cigars, not sure if this is also a favor but it's worth mentioning.

Either way, I don't want to lose the $300 worth of cigars I have purchased and I am wondering what i can do to bring my cigars back to smokeable status. It is noted that I will be taking these cigars to a B&M locker at the end of this week which has ideal temp and humidity settings. Lastly, I have separated the cigars into two baggies... One with a small 72% boveda pack and the other with a bigger 72% pack. There is also about 50/50 (50% air to 50% cigars) in each bag but I am wondering if it's too late and I should just chaulk this up and an expensive lesson learned on how to care of cigars.

Any thoughts on this issue is appreciated.
 

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It could be over-humidified or they could just be in a "sick" state based on what you're tasting, ammonia. Normally overly humidified cigars are spongy but some cigars are just hard. Normally it's the thicker/darker wrappers that are really noticeable when wet.

Get yourself a hygrometer (and calibrate it) for your cigars...also have you considered buying some tupperware for use as a tupperdor? I always find my cigars smoke better closer to 62% RH and all B&Ms around me store closer to 75% RH but have very inconsistent RH throughout the humidor; some spots are really wet while others are dry. I won't tell you 62% RH is what you should store your cigars at but I also wouldn't tell you I thought a B&M would have optimum RH.

Lastly, don't worry your cigars aren't ruined they will be fine once you figure out the RH problem(or possibly time if they're just "sick.")
 
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Sick huh? Never heard of this term before. I'll have to do some research on it.

I have looked into a coolidor and tupperdor but with the summer months in AZ rapidly approaching I don't want to contend with the risk of beetles when I have my cigars would be in a mostly warm (above 80º to 85º) for 15+ hours a day enviroment. I've also looked at winedors but I have heard of mixed reviews and the last thing I want is another electronic device sucking energy giving me an already outrageous electric bill.

Unless I want to keep my house in the low 70's my only option is to rent a locker from a B&M I can trust, which I have found.

Thanks for the response. :)
 
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You need proper storage. Read up in the storage section. Lots of great info there. I think 72% is a bit high, I find that 65% is perfect for me. I live in SC where it can get over 100° in the summer. My home is not air conditioned so I have a wineador. Using heartfelt beads my humidity stays a rock solid 65% and 65°.
As for being hard, some sticks just are very solid. They are rolled that way. When you get them in the locker leave them for at least 2 or 3 weeks to settle before trying them again.
To avoid Beatles you can first freeze the sticks for a few days( put them in the fridge first for a few days so they can get use to the temp, same when taking them out of the freezer). A decent piece of Tupperware, a few brovada packs, a humidity gauge from Lowes, and a cigar box broken down( for the Spanish cedar, good for maintaining humidity) is all you need for home storage. Hope this makes sense, and is of some help.
 
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Along with checking out the storage section, as Daleo stated. You could also dry box for a day or two in the mean time so you could still enjoy your smokes while they acclimate.

Read up, there is a lots of helpful information on this forum. The brothers here are eager to help us newbs.;)
 
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Thanks for all that have responded. I dropped my cigars off at my B&M and rented a locker today. We placed the cigars in a the two dry cigar boxes that I had and he recommended to give them until about the 1st of June before I have another one. Unfortunately I will not be able to store cigars in my home during most of the year due to how warm it gets inside. I do plan to read up on that storage thread though, there should not be an issue with cigar storage during our winter months.

Thanks again for the helpful responses.
 
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Unfortunately I will not be able to store cigars in my home during most of the year due to how warm it gets inside.
I'd strongly recommend looking into a wineador; a thermoelectric wine cooler. Since cooling is an issue, this is you're best at home solution for storing that amount of sticks. Check Ebay for sales on them and do yourself a favor- go BIG: 32 bottle. KoldFront (Edgestar) has a nice one, or this is the one I just bought; http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-Bottle-Single-Zone-Thermoelectric-Wine-Cooler-with-Adjustable-Shelves-BIG2131-/281216407139?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4179cdd663 I got mine for $165, free dely. This way, you can use your locker at the B&M for its intended purpose: HOOCH!
 
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Sorry if I repeat something that was said short on time... If cigars are off it will take about a week for 1 % change in rh in the stick which sucks and takes for ever. You have to add humidity slowly or your wrapper will suck it up quicker than the In side and you will have tunneling issues when you smoke. I had a humidor drop real low I just took two bovedas and threw em I. And let it hibernate it's been 2.5 months but they finally stabilized at 61 and are going to be smokable soon. If a cooler is out of the budget hit the hunting section of Wal-Mart and get a green field box for 7$ it has an airtight seal it's like a plastic ammo can you can get two one to bring your sticks back and another for usage now. I'd recommend buying a decent digital humistat got mine about 15 $ on ebay and calebrate it. You can toss it between your boxes. Ditch unreliable humidifiers and get bovedas good luck patience is key!
 

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Sick huh? Never heard of this term before. I'll have to do some research on it.

I have looked into a coolidor and tupperdor but with the summer months in AZ rapidly approaching I don't want to contend with the risk of beetles when I have my cigars would be in a mostly warm (above 80º to 85º) for 15+ hours a day enviroment. I've also looked at winedors but I have heard of mixed reviews and the last thing I want is another electronic device sucking energy giving me an already outrageous electric bill.

Unless I want to keep my house in the low 70's my only option is to rent a locker from a B&M I can trust, which I have found.

Thanks for the response. :)
Put your sticks in a ziplock and remove as much air as possible then pop them in the freezer for 3-4 days. Beetle and temperature problems solved. As for your RH, Im with the others 72% is just way too high. Bring it down and your cigars will smoke better and the flavors will be more discernible.
 
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Not sure that feeling "hard" matters as much as whether they feel just the slightest bit crunchy when you squeeze 'em.

"Hard" or "soft" will depend more on the roll than the humidity, AFAIK.
 
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