Dr. Joe Show debunks Dave Garafallo
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Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
The Dr. Joe Show rocks!!! That Embargo series was awesome! Thanks, Tennessee Dave. He makes some clear and obvious observations. Really eased my mind about this whole embargo thing. He's offered the best explanation yet.
I thought he brought up a good point often overlooked with the whole tax side of things. I think he's probably right that its better for us that Habanos are illegal because when the time comes our Gov is going to tax the living hell out of them. I know I'd rather them stay illegal and affordable compared to legal and outrageously priced after uncle Sam gets his cut. The premium they pay in the UK and Canada should be a good example of what we'd see and at those prices I'm just not interested anymore.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
I see quality going right into the $hitter if they become legal. The amount of people who will want to start ordering will push the price point up and the QC down...they won't be able to keep up with demand so they'll just start rolling cigars with copy paper.
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
I totally agree. I liked his point about General Cigar fighting the Embargo-lifting tooth-and-nail. That makes a lot of sense. There is no way General Cigar allows the Cuban brand equivalents on the same shelves of our local B&Ms. They will also fight the development of LCDH stores in the US. But as I understand it, Altadis owns a 50-percent share in Habanos S.A. So basically, Altadis and General Cigar are going to court over this, it will take years and years and will eventually end up at the Supreme Court.
Old Stogie
Me
To me, it's a question of completion. Cuban names have been used in the U.S.
The lawyers will have a field day sorting this out
The lawyers will have a field day sorting this out
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
I'm not a lawyer, Aloha, so I won't pretend to be one. But my guess is that all the GC brand equivalents will suffer if their Cuban equivalents are sold domestically. GC will be forced to file anti-trust litigation to stop the distribution of Cuban brand equivalents. Just because the Supreme Court refused to hear the case in the last session, doesn't mean it won't hear the case in another--especially considering the companies involved and the money at stake. Let's say Habanos S.A. wants to open LCDH Miami. Like Dr. Joe said, the original brand owners left Cuba during the revolution and relaunched their brands in the Dominican. So legally speaking, the Dominican brands are the genuine ones. If Habanos S.A. tries to sell the same brands here domestically, it will probably be in violation of copyright and trademark laws. General Cigar has too much to lose. So if Habanos S.A. tries to open a store in Miami, General Cigar company will file something in the local Federal Jurisdiction trying to stop its development.
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AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
Key words at the end of my sentence... "and trademarks are figured out."
Of course the war is not over regarding the copyright/trademark issue, but when it is, General will have absolutely no say in LCDH shops carrying cuban cigars. And if you are not aware, LCDH shops are privately owned (except in Cuba) and have nothing to do with Habanos besides being certified as a LCDH.
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
Did not know that and was wondering how the relationship between Habanos S.A. related to LCDHs. Thanks for clearing that up.