Tupperdore/Boveda - why so humid?
- Thread starter Bearclaw
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From my experience, I use tuppedore virtually exclusively now, Biveda will maintain 1 to 3 % higher in an airtight environment. More so when you recharge them. So just use a lower rated pack. I use a 65% pack and it reads 68 in my tuppers.
I already experimented with several caliberated digital hygro and my Adorini Analog, which us extremely accurate.
I already experimented with several caliberated digital hygro and my Adorini Analog, which us extremely accurate.
From my experience it takes a while for Bovedas to bring RH down. I went from to using 69s to 65s in my 30qt tupperdore and it took about a month to go from 68 to 65.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
I agree that it takes more time for Bovedas to regulate its environment where you get an accurate reading...not so with KL as I've seen it take merely hours esp. for humis/tupperware that can hold 100 cigars. I use Boveda paks for smaller desptop humidors as I get a very accurate RH from the paks I use ( 65%)...it's just a choice of what you're looking for when it comes to RH control and media.
Bovedas do indeed remove moisture from the air if there's enough "room" inside them to do it. Usually they're shipped a tiny bit dessicated so unless they've been soaking up humidity for weeks they should have no problem doing it.
Couldn't agree more. Took me a while to figure this out. 65's all the way! 72's are too much for me regardless of the environment.
bdc30
BoM May '11
Not sure why, but I've gotten some really poor advice from supposed 'tobacconists' over the years. One even told me just to use regular tap water to fill up the little humidity pillows...
Explains I guess why we see moldy sticks in shops and they try and pass them off as 'plume'
Bearclaw
The dude playin the dude disquised as another dude
I'm going to plan a switch to the B65 and just roll with it. My last few smokes seemed a little too moist to me so I'll play with a lower humidity and see how I like it.
As an update on the Hygro- I put the B69 in a small Ziploc last night: Reading a steady 72% this morning. Given some of the feedback that Bovedas may run a little humid in closed air environments, I suppose this could be considered to be within 1%.
I'll check it again when I get home, then will likely try it again with the 72 for experimentation purposes.
Thanks for all the replies. I have learned from each perspective that's been shared.
That's interesting to hear. I'm prone to let this one slide as I feel that I've gotten some very solid recommendations from him thus far. He has not once suggested a cigar I didn't like (obviously liked some more than others), remembers my taste in smokes, and will help me branch out after I decide which ones I enjoy the most. I'm going to chock this one up to learning curve/preference on my part.
As an update on the Hygro- I put the B69 in a small Ziploc last night: Reading a steady 72% this morning. Given some of the feedback that Bovedas may run a little humid in closed air environments, I suppose this could be considered to be within 1%.
I'll check it again when I get home, then will likely try it again with the 72 for experimentation purposes.
Thanks for all the replies. I have learned from each perspective that's been shared.
Bearclaw
The dude playin the dude disquised as another dude
Still reading 72 in the ziplock with a B69 when I checked it this evening. Returned to tupperdore with the 72 and it's now reading 76. Hygro must be off, I just can't see both Bovedas being that much out of tolerance.I guess my salt test was off by a good margin. I'm planning to calibrate the hygro to the B69 and see what happens then.
If nothing else I'm learning a good bit about hygrometers. Even if they are all but unnecessary with today's humidification technology.
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Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Been reading a lot of posts on Forums about the Bovedas and trouble people are running into....a lot are saying the same things as to them being off as much as 3 to maybe even 5% and that can have a dramatic effect when you think you have your cigars in an environment you think is at 67%. While I like the Bovedas for smaller humis they just seem to have a disconnect to anything larger than 20 cigars...stabilizing your RH is paramount to having and keeping quality cigars in your humidors. Having the right tools is even smarter...calibrate your hygros and ensure you have a good one that has proven itself over many times. While I don't trust Bovedas at 100% I do trust a proven hygro and that can mean the difference of having a great cigar vs one that you wring out like a washcloth.
StogieNinja
Derek | BoM June 2014
See, I feel the opposite. I don't trust hygros, but I trust Boveda. I've seen just a ton of variance from hygrometers over time, but never known a Boveda to be off.
The only time Bovedas seem to have an issue is with temp fluxes or high temps. Get your temps up into the mid 70s, and people seem to get more humid measurements. Keep your cigars below 70*F and I'd trust the Boveda over the hygrometer every time.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Lol...we can't always see eye to eye. Here's my reasoning...Bovedas work within a framework of smaller humidors...not more than 50 count ones and I've seen them have a variance of 2% and over esp. when 3 or 4 of them are in humidors of 100 ( tupperware as well ) and a long time ago I bought an expensive hygro that you can set your watch to and I know it's been validated by every type of test...Boveda, salt...you name it. For the last few months I have been reading from others that their Bovedas tend to have some issues by being "off" as much as 5%...that's too much for my blood as that can cause problems esp. if you're one that likes their stock at around 68% for some cigars. The whole idea is to have a media that will be true no matter what percentage you like and I even have cigars at 70% that have a really thick maduro/oscuro wrapper so if my RH needs to be at a certain high percentage...I don't use a Boveda or water pillow..I gotta have a hygro.
Bearclaw
The dude playin the dude disquised as another dude
I'm not sure what to trust at this point
I calibrated my hygrometer to the Bovedo 69, placed it back in with the 72 and it's reading a consistent 71%. I'm satisfied for the time being, but will likely play with it some more over time. I enjoy tinkering....
Now, when I end up going bigger, which may be happening sooner that I expected thanks to BOTL, I'm planning to try kitty litter and see how it goes. I think everyone has their own approach that works, and a lot of that has to do with your local climate. My concerns are much different than those of you in the northern reaches.