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Have you guys ever experienced this?

I had an H.Upmann Magnum 46 and I had it in the humidor for a week. I removed it the day I wanted to smoke it and cut the cap. I noticed it was almost impossible to draw. So I left it out of the humidor and continuously checked it every few hours. A full day later, the draw is still crazy tight. What is the issue? It can't be a humidity issue, it was left out for a day. Overpacked?
 
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Almost all the CC's I've smoked have been pretty tight with the draw. Kind of sucks. Most a still smokeable, but only 20% are where I would like. Kept at 65/65 for months.
 

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Yes, cigars can be overpacked. They're a natural, handmade product, it happens.

Yes, CCs probably have a slightly higher tight draw rate than NCs. But it's a difference of what, 1%?

Get a draw tool, fixes most issues I've ever had.
 

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Yes, CCs probably have a slightly higher tight draw rate than NCs. But it's a difference of what, 1%?
I tend to agree with that statement. However, the numbers posted in the thread mentionned, with less than half the sticks being CCs and more than half the plugged being CCs, and two thirds tight draws being CCs, seems to say otherwise.

That said, I rarely had issues with CCs up to the point I can't smoke them. Bad rolls can happen, but good storage is generally helpful as well.

I use the pickt from my pipe tool to help with draw issues.
 

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I tend to agree with that statement. However, the numbers posted in the thread mentionned, with less than half the sticks being CCs and more than half the plugged being CCs, and two thirds tight draws being CCs, seems to say otherwise.


97+% acceptable on CCs, 98+% on NCs. 4 plugged vs 3 plugged. 20 tight vs 13 tight.

A difference of about 1.6%. Not a huge difference.
 
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97+% acceptable on CCs, 98+% on NCs. 4 plugged vs 3 plugged. 20 tight vs 13 tight.

A difference of about 1.6%. Not a huge difference.
Whole purpose of this was to debunk the myth that cc have a higher plug rate. We spent a year logging every single cigar smoked. That year I smoked 400 something cigars. I smoked only one non Cuban cigar that year because I got stuck somewhere without a cigar. I had 1 or 2 plugged cigars. A higher percentage of plugged cigars were thin ring gauge. Moral of the story is people claiming cc's are always plugged have no data to back it up and it's a bullsh@t statement. Smoke what you like, but don't bash others for smoking what they like.
 

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My head nearly blew up from the exhaustive research and to take the time to really give a thorough analysis of this does have credibility but as with all data there needs to be a bit more to have it really sink in. RH and storage along with temperatures factor in as well as resting times for it to complete the study. Smoking cigars for over 45 years has taught me that statistical analysis demands every nuance of knowns/unknowns in order to come up with a conclusion and when it comes to cigars it is hard to determine the final outcome because not every cigar that would be smoked in the experiment came from different "knowns"...different humidors...different handling...different resting times...etc. While it makes for interesting reading it still comes down to the the luck of the draw esp. not knowing the history of each cigar. It's like trying to determine which vehicle that has transmission issues compared to 15 other brand vehicles as to why or when they go bad. A lot of what happens goes into the maintenance of it...sometimes they just f'n blow up for whatever reason and when it comes to cigars.....most of the time it's all about the maintenance and giving it the care and time to reach their full potential....and sometimes a cigar is a cigar.
 

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My head nearly blew up from the exhaustive research and to take the time to really give a thorough analysis of this does have credibility but as with all data there needs to be a bit more to have it really sink in. RH and storage along with temperatures factor in as well as resting times for it to complete the study. Smoking cigars for over 45 years has taught me that statistical analysis demands every nuance of knowns/unknowns in order to come up with a conclusion and when it comes to cigars it is hard to determine the final outcome because not every cigar that would be smoked in the experiment came from different "knowns"...different humidors...different handling...different resting times...etc. While it makes for interesting reading it still comes down to the the luck of the draw esp. not knowing the history of each cigar. It's like trying to determine which vehicle that has transmission issues compared to 15 other brand vehicles as to why or when they go bad. A lot of what happens goes into the maintenance of it...sometimes they just f'n blow up for whatever reason and when it comes to cigars.....most of the time it's all about the maintenance and giving it the care and time to reach their full potential....and sometimes a cigar is a cigar.
And sometimes every humi in the research group was @ 65% +- 2%. Sometimes we set variables like a plugged cigar was to be rested 3 days to be dryboxed before being lit and called plugged. Iirc no newly purchased cigars were ever smoked. Most were several years old. (Due to the peer groups' collections...) Sometimes each cigar was smoked by 7or8 individuals that have over a 100 years experience combined with cigar storage and smoking. There were many variables set in out group. Jon (Jdog) writes mathematical equations for computer programs (statistical data analysis) for one of the largest advertisers in the U.S. Take out of the survey what you wish. There ended up being over 5k cigars smoked over the year and into the data pool. Maybe we should of all been restricted to smoking in a lab as well? Until another group does more to show proof of other wise. I'll point to this survey to debunk the myth. Just my 2 cents.
 

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I get the data but as we all know cigars are not machine made...they are rolled by individuals who are not computerized to where they roll each cigar exactly. Any torcedor will account for this....man made cigars are subject to variables and they can be too tight or too loose and when you factor in that there are so many different rollers we can't possibly apply that kind of data. I know you're joking about smoking cigars in a "lab setting" but in order to have accurate data that is how we get facts instead of a general consensus. I do like the write up of the posting of the data but let's understand that just because somebody does statistical data analysis for a living doesn't mean it can be reduced to a product that has other variables that aren't accounted for. What it does is give food for thought about our "plugged cigars" and what can be drawn from a group of people who try to keep within the confines of using the Scientific Method....what was left out was "rollers" which is a significant part of the overall experiment which is part of the "control"....but FWIW this is still a very interesting thing to look at and from a practical POV shouldn't cause more than just a conversational debate. We're talking about something that we are more in agreement than disagreement.
 

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Whole purpose of this was to debunk the myth that cc have a higher plug rate. We spent a year logging every single cigar smoked. That year I smoked 400 something cigars. I smoked only one non Cuban cigar that year because I got stuck somewhere without a cigar. I had 1 or 2 plugged cigars. A higher percentage of plugged cigars were thin ring gauge. Moral of the story is people claiming cc's are always plugged have no data to back it up and it's a bullsh@t statement. Smoke what you like, but don't bash others for smoking what they like.
Granted you smoke more ccs than I do. You probably smoke nicer ones (all things being equal with opinions etc.) I have had many plugged ccs and very few plugged ncs (and I smoke nicer ncs than ccs.) Could be my humi settings, could be user error but it's clearly not bs in my experience.
 

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Granted you smoke more ccs than I do. You probably smoke nicer ones (all things being equal with opinions etc.) I have had many plugged ccs and very few plugged ncs (and I smoke nicer ncs than ccs.) Could be my humi settings, could be user error but it's clearly not bs in my experience.
What's your plug % Ara? You may want to record it for 6-12 months and see what your personal results are. Just from experience most were shocked by how low the results were.
 
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