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Wineador help from you experienced wineador owners ... humidification problem

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This is weird. I had what I thought was a perfectly stabilized wineador until my air conditioning went out last week. Because the ambient temperature was in the 80-85 range, I dropped the NewAir 280 temperature down to 60, which got me to about 70 F inside the unit, with the unit going constantly.

The humidity dropped to the low 50's almost right away. I started soaking the beads like crazy for days and couldn't get it to rise, until this morning I noticed a lot of condensation in the bottom of the unit! I was pumping humidity into it which ended up at the bottom with RH not budging AT ALL.

I dried it up with paper towels as I left for work today and shut the unit off. I thought the NewAir 280 type units did not have the condensation problem the condenser units do, apparently I am wrong. I am guessing this is a great unit IF the ambient temperature is in a controlled environment, like an air conditioned home. But it's not working so good in 80's high humidity environment at all. Anyone else experience this? I think I'll just leave it off. Since I freeze my cigars when they arrive, I am not worried about beetles at higher temps and the humidity is easily controlled if it is off.

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That's the same problem I have with mine, summers here are in the 90's and my house can get up to about 89 inside. My unit is constantly running to try and cool it but these wine coolers are only meant to cool about 10 degrees of whatever the outside air is at. Since it's running constantly the cool air is drying out all my bovedas and KL, I can put a boveda pack inside and it's dry in two weeks. My fix was put everything inside tupperware and put KL or bovedas inside, that keeps the rh stable inside the tupper and the cooler sits around 75 degrees.
 
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Ah, OK. Well, I'm not going to do that, the air conditioning will be fixed shortly, I'll just leave it off and use it as a non-cooled humidor. Like I said, after freezing, I'm not worried about beetles at all.

It's amazing at how efficient it is at removing humidity from the air and condensing it on the bottom! Yikes!
 
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I think your error was adding in a bunch more water to the system. If it is hot outside and your pumping the cooler air in the unit, then condensation can form (like a glass of beer on a warm day). Since you already freeze (I really need to start doing this), i would have just let the unit run as normal and keep a higher temp until the ac gets fixed. Or move it to a cooler part of the house (interior closet).I think your best bet know it to remove the beads and unplug the unit. Your sticks should have a decent RH within them. Then dry out your beads (on an open cookie sheet in the over at 200. Then return them to the unit and check the RH. If it is too low, add a few shot classes of Distilled Water to the environment and let the Bead absorb the water from the air. If it takes a week or two to regain control on you unit, i don't think you will have ill effects on your sticks.

(important to know that these are my opinions and I am no expert. I have don'e research and had a few time where I panicked and overspirtz my beads and from those experiences, I will never again spray the beads... One add DL to the environment and allow the RH to climb slowly)

Also, I now have beads in Mesh sitting on the bottom of the units so if any water does form thru condensation, it should make its way to the bottom and be absorbed by direct contact with the beads. I also now have Boveda packs throughout the units to assist the beads in maintaining stability.
 
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I think you are spot-on, Doug, thanks! I'll do that.

Boy I was confused, since it had been stable for almost a month. These have a learning curve, for sure!
 

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Do you have the drain plug capped? If so, unseal it and let the drain plug do what it's supposed to do and drain water out of the unit. As with any cooling units, if the A/C is running constantly, it will lower the Rh. I kept my wineadors unplugged for 9 months out of the year and simply made sure there was plenty of moist beads in the unit during the Summer to keep the Rh up.

Keep in mind, consistency is important. People always make the mistake of doing too much all at once to correct humidity levels. Once you learn a good system for your house, try to stay ahead of the game so you don't have to over compensate.
 
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I had the same problem a year or so ago and I contacted Scott Shilala creator of Shilala's Beads and now called HCM Beads and this is how he explained everything to me.....
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Hi Jason,
Sorry about your mess, brother. I feel your pain.
I wish I could draw a picture, it'd save a thousand words, but here I go...

When we create a humidor, we create a sealed environment with a very finite amount of water in there.
You'd probably say "Opening the door adds and subtracts water!!!", and it does. But that water is in the form of water vapor.
That's where a guy like me goes to math, volumes, and the properties of water in the two states, solid and vapor.
When I start massaging all those numbers, I find that opening and closing your door (or lid) only adds or removes a very, very, very, tiny amount of water vapor. I can literally open and close the door hundreds of times before there's an appreciable change in the RH inside the humi.
If those openings and closings happen across the seasons, things balance out. In most places humidity in the home is higher in the summer and lower in the winter, everything considered.

So now we have to look at time. More math. Ugh.

If we add up the time we've had the door open all year long, it isn't much. Let's use a ridiculous example. I go to my humidor 3 times a day, leaving the door open for 5 minutes each time because I never know what I want to smoke, and I do that every single day of the year.
If I total that up, it means that the door has been opened a grand total of 4 days time across the entire year.
If I left my humidor open for 4 days straight, I'm probably going to have an issue. With beads, I can fix it overnight. They can handle 4 days of water vapor, no problem. They'll only rise to the RH of the room around it, and I can dry that out in the fridge or freezer.
Fridge or freezer? Hmm. The water will go out of my beads and go into the fridge or freezer. How?
That's simple. The RH in the fridge or freezer is lower than that of the beads, so the water comes out of my beads as water vapor and into the air in the freezer. Once it's in the air in the freezer, it condenses on, get this, THE CONDENSER!!!

Oddly enough, our winadors have a condenser, too.

In freezers and fridges, the water drips off and collects in a pan, then goes out a drain.
In our winadors, we plug our drains. Why?
Because in winadors, we need a perfectly sealed, or hermetic environment, so that we can control the humidity. That's why they're called humidors.
In refrigerators and freezers, nobody cares. The drain is a wonderful thing, or water would run on the floor.

So, now we covered everything that goes on, at least to a degree. The things we have discussed, so far as the math and properties of water and how it acts, those things are static. When God's hand created all this, He made it all real simple. There are laws that do not change. We can count on them, and we can use those laws to help us live successful lives, and not be complete knuckleheads. I'm not even talking about The Commandments, I'm talking physical laws.

When I figure this stuff out, and Michael does the same, cause he knows all this crap, we look at what folks say.
Personally, I like to assume everything you said is solid accurate. But if that's the case, I have to assume you missed something.
The water you have puddled in there absolutely had to come from outside the humidor, because it didn't exist inside it until recently.
If the seal is okay, then there's probably a fist sized hole in the side or back of the unit. I can guess this cause you Texans like your big guns.
If there's no big holes, then we have to assume the seal isn't seating, because they fail after a year or two. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but they fail. Or the unit gets racked cause it's not level, and the seal just isn't seating right.

Honestly, there could be a crack or seam anywhere that opened up. But it's big. Real big.
We know that for two reasons. It takes a HUGE volume of outside air to create that much water, especially in the dry winter.
So that unit is leaking 24 hours a day. So much so that it's changing the unit's temperature, making the cooling run all the time, condensing water and dumping it in the bottom.

Sorry, my brother. It happens. To avoid this misery, I use modified compressor driven refrigerators to store my sticks, and a big display humidor in our nice, cool basement.
You can start from scratch, fix that thing if you can, or drive up here and get this winador I built that I'm getting rid of.

Do me a favor and post this, will ya?
Maybe a "This is why my winador leaked" thread or something. That'd help guys a lot, cause I seldom want to type all this.

Hope this helps, my friend!!!
God Bless you and yours,
Scott
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I hope this helps you like it helped me.
 

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Take a piece of foil. Fold it to the shape of a gutter. (Two sides and a middle funneled in.....) Tape it to the back by the floor using small amounts of duct tape. Place your beads under the funnel. The recycled water goes right back into the beads. Everyone is happy! This has been done by other brothers and it works.
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Take a piece of foil. Fold it to the shape of a gutter. (Two sides and a middle funneled in.....) Tape it to the back by the floor using small amounts of duct tape. Place your beads under the funnel. The recycled water goes right back into the beads. Everyone is happy! This has been done by other brothers and it works..
The only thing that accomplishes is living with the problem and not solving the problem of where it came from in the first place.

First step i would suggest is.... Put a thin coat of Vaseline one the gasket and close the door, count to 10 and open the door. On the body of the wineador you will see where the gasket closed. If there are any gaps in the Vaseline, there is your leak. If the wineador is on the floor, you might want to check the level.
 

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The problem mostly comes from the winodoor having to cool more thus run more. That makes it condense more internal humid air. Which makes all the water vapor turn to liquid. If you make the funnel and feed the beads you are just recycling the internal moisture content. Nothing needs to be added or lossed. Also if he has a leak the RH wouldn't drop as bad. it's 68rh in my home with my ac running constantly. And JCinPA isn't very far from me.
But I would like him to try your method to prove the seal is actually still good. Btw the idea of seals failing after two years? I've owned all 3 of mine for over five years. (My vinotemp 28 since sept 2008) Not one of my seals has gone bad. (As shililah beads states)
 
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