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Seriously, this is my first cigar in 9 weeks! I had a 5-6 week long sinus infection that culminated into a week long, full-on, everything above the neck infection. We're taking throat, both ears, sinuses and even bacterial conjunctivitis in both of my eyes.

I've been looking at this Quesada for a while and after I put my kid down for his nap I finally got to light up.

This is glorious.
 
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I feel your pain. I'm in the middle of a 6-8 week hiatus because of a broken arm. Doc told me the worst thing I could do was use tobacco, apparently its one of the biggest deterrents of bone growth. So, enjoy it for yourself and me!!
 

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I feel your pain. I'm in the middle of a 6-8 week hiatus because of a broken arm. Doc told me the worst thing I could do was use tobacco, apparently its one of the biggest deterrents of bone growth. So, enjoy it for yourself and me!!
He's just jealous of your collection - I say smoke more, and prove him wrong!!!!
 
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I feel your pain. I'm in the middle of a 6-8 week hiatus because of a broken arm. Doc told me the worst thing I could do was use tobacco, apparently its one of the biggest deterrents of bone growth. So, enjoy it for yourself and me!!
He's full of it. I smoked daily after having a reconstructive wrist surgery. I healed faster than the doc expected. The ADDITIVES in CIGARETTES have been proven to hinder healing and bone growth, not the tobacco.

Besides, you want your body to heal, you give it the nutrition it needs to use to heal. But that's a whole other topic.
 
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Also @joneyry09 I don't want you to think I'm just some quack that spouts off how all doctors are wrong and cigars are good. Let me clarify. I looked up that study. It was conducted by Dr. George Cierny III a doctor that apparently specialized in osteomyelitis, infections of the bone. The researchers studied only 29 people, all of which had broken tibias AND developed osteomyelitis. The bone growth was assessed after the infected bone was removed from the patients, and that is where he determined that his patients who were admitted smokers healed 38% slower than the non-smokers.

But here's the thing you have to watch out for with these kind of observational studies. What was going on that they didn't observe or mention. For one, very few people develop osteomyelitis after a bone fracture, I'm not sure the percentage of people but it's likely very high that those that do are already in bad health or have some other risk factors at play. Next we have to understand is that regular cigarette smokers are generally people that don't exactly obey the general healthy medical advice. So what other risk factors did they have going on in their lives that predisposed them for osteomyelitis after a bone fracture? Could those who were smokers also have been mostly obese and the non-smokers of a healthy weight - we don't know, they omitted that information. How many of these in the smoker side were diabetic or had some other medical condition at play? What was the difference between those and the non-smoker group. What I'm saying is, is that there is a lot of information at play that wasn't considered because a researcher decided he wanted to write an article and needed to make a point.

Those who have cited the paper have blamed the nicotine, but here's the thing, what about the other hundreds of chemicals that are included in cigarettes that are ingested when smoked? Did Dr. Cierny consider or exclude those? Nope. What we have here is an observational study from a researcher that simply chooses to demonize nicotine. Also, that small of a sample size means virtually nothing. Especially considering we don't know how many were men or women, young, middle aged or elderly. There was no follow up to that study. For all we know the smoking group could have all been admitted to the hospital for the duration of their treatment and the food provided them was not conducive to good healing while the non-smokers may have been younger and healthier and recovered at home eating proper foods.

Dr. Cierny took an incredible leap of faith and nobody questioned it because everyone can just assume that nicotine is bad. Heck, that's been made so clear that people are afraid to even try to study the difference between cigarette, cigar and spit tobacco users. If researchers even try to argue that nicotine on its own may not be entirely bad, they're ostracized. It's the same in the nutrition world, but that's another story.

My point is, your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. It looks like he gets on pubmed once a week, reads the abstract for a few studies so that he feels comfortably up to date and then spouts it off to his patients like he's an expert on the subject. When in fact most general practitioners and even most treating specialists are just too busy with the day to day that they even have a clue what the research is saying or even if the trend of knowledge is shifting.

So go on, open that humidor, light a nice stick and eat yourself a ribeye tonight!
 
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Also @joneyry09 I don't want you to think I'm just some quack that spouts off how all doctors are wrong and cigars are good. Let me clarify. I looked up that study. It was conducted by Dr. George Cierny III a doctor that apparently specialized in osteomyelitis, infections of the bone. The researchers studied only 29 people, all of which had broken tibias AND developed osteomyelitis. The bone growth was assessed after the infected bone was removed from the patients, and that is where he determined that his patients who were admitted smokers healed 38% slower than the non-smokers.

But here's the thing you have to watch out for with these kind of observational studies. What was going on that they didn't observe or mention. For one, very few people develop osteomyelitis after a bone fracture, I'm not sure the percentage of people but it's likely very high that those that do are already in bad health or have some other risk factors at play. Next we have to understand is that regular cigarette smokers are generally people that don't exactly obey the general healthy medical advice. So what other risk factors did they have going on in their lives that predisposed them for osteomyelitis after a bone fracture? Could those who were smokers also have been mostly obese and the non-smokers of a healthy weight - we don't know, they omitted that information. How many of these in the smoker side were diabetic or had some other medical condition at play? What was the difference between those and the non-smoker group. What I'm saying is, is that there is a lot of information at play that wasn't considered because a researcher decided he wanted to write an article and needed to make a point.

Those who have cited the paper have blamed the nicotine, but here's the thing, what about the other hundreds of chemicals that are included in cigarettes that are ingested when smoked? Did Dr. Cierny consider or exclude those? Nope. What we have here is an observational study from a researcher that simply chooses to demonize nicotine. Also, that small of a sample size means virtually nothing. Especially considering we don't know how many were men or women, young, middle aged or elderly. There was no follow up to that study. For all we know the smoking group could have all been admitted to the hospital for the duration of their treatment and the food provided them was not conducive to good healing while the non-smokers may have been younger and healthier and recovered at home eating proper foods.

Dr. Cierny took an incredible leap of faith and nobody questioned it because everyone can just assume that nicotine is bad. Heck, that's been made so clear that people are afraid to even try to study the difference between cigarette, cigar and spit tobacco users. If researchers even try to argue that nicotine on its own may not be entirely bad, they're ostracized. It's the same in the nutrition world, but that's another story.

My point is, your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. It looks like he gets on pubmed once a week, reads the abstract for a few studies so that he feels comfortably up to date and then spouts it off to his patients like he's an expert on the subject. When in fact most general practitioners and even most treating specialists are just too busy with the day to day that they even have a clue what the research is saying or even if the trend of knowledge is shifting.

So go on, open that humidor, light a nice stick and eat yourself a ribeye tonight!
I have tons of time, I'll have to look the study up. During my studies (Kinesiology), I did quite a bit of research on the affect of caffein on healing/the body in general. Unfortunately, I did very little with nicotine and tobacco. I do know that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor (constricts arteries) and the affects that has on the body (difficult blood circulation). However, I again have no idea on whether these things are short term for occasional cigar smokers etc. vs permanent abnormalities in full time smokers. I will have to do some looking up.

I just took his word for it as he is a hand/arm specialist and it wasn't the first time I had heard such a statement. I took a "manipulation of studies" course in college and it blew my mind. It was crazy to see how they can make the numbers work how they want based on a small change in one variable, standard dev for example. Now I take all studies with a grain of salt hahah

That's for the heads up on the study. I am for sure going to check it out.

How was the smoke by the way?
 
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I love the ability of guys on here to have true intelligent conversations about a topic like this without dropping to an argument.
I am interested in what you find out @jonesry09 as I am curious the difference between effects of nicotine from an occasional cigar smoker to a habitual cigarette smoker. I am sure the added chemicals in cigarettes have got to play some sort of role in all of this as well.
And good luck on the broken arm.
 

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I love the ability of guys on here to have true intelligent conversations about a topic like this without dropping to an argument.
I am interested in what you find out @jonesry09 as I am curious the difference between effects of nicotine from an occasional cigar smoker to a habitual cigarette smoker. I am sure the added chemicals in cigarettes have got to play some sort of role in all of this as well.
And good luck on the broken arm.
EXACTLY. I was thinking the same thing. @KookaRocha , welcome back!
 
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I have tons of time, I'll have to look the study up. During my studies (Kinesiology), I did quite a bit of research on the affect of caffein on healing/the body in general. Unfortunately, I did very little with nicotine and tobacco. I do know that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor (constricts arteries) and the affects that has on the body (difficult blood circulation). However, I again have no idea on whether these things are short term for occasional cigar smokers etc. vs permanent abnormalities in full time smokers. I will have to do some looking up.

I just took his word for it as he is a hand/arm specialist and it wasn't the first time I had heard such a statement. I took a "manipulation of studies" course in college and it blew my mind. It was crazy to see how they can make the numbers work how they want based on a small change in one variable, standard dev for example. Now I take all studies with a grain of salt hahah

That's for the heads up on the study. I am for sure going to check it out.

How was the smoke by the way?
Since we know that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that cells that promote healing are carried to the injury site through the blood, then it stands to reason that a small decrease in healing time would result. That being said, on an otherwise healthy adult, smoking cigars in moderation would probably have such a small effect in healing as to be negligible.
Moderation is key in so many areas in life.
 
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I feel your pain. I'm in the middle of a 6-8 week hiatus because of a broken arm. Doc told me the worst thing I could do was use tobacco, apparently its one of the biggest deterrents of bone growth. So, enjoy it for yourself and me!!
I, for one, commend your discretion and applaud your decision to abstain.
 
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Since we know that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that cells that promote healing are carried to the injury site through the blood, then it stands to reason that a small decrease in healing time would result. That being said, on an otherwise healthy adult, smoking cigars in moderation would probably have such a small effect in healing as to be negligible.
Moderation is key in so many areas in life.
This is what I was thinking, but there could be other influences. I would like to see the difference between the other additives in cigarettes and just tobacco in cigars.
 
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The problem that I found while reading most of the day is that there is no "classification" of nicotine usage. Meaning, there is no difference between a chain smoker and a occasional cigar smoker. All of the studies I read through were regarding cessation of smoking (full time cigarette smokers) following different injuries. Most of the studies were post surgical injuries. Every study concluded that the people whom ceased smoking following the injury had less "complications". The complications ranged from non-union of the bone, delayed healing and the most common was infection of the wound site. Actually, there was a study out of Sweden (one of three I read) that had a few hundred participants. Of smokers, something like 50% of them had an infection of the wound whereas only 10% of non smokers had one.

I would be willing to bet that the physiological affect of smoking the occasional cigar (1-3 a week) would be minimal to none on bone healing. Then again, I am about 7 years shy of being a doctor haha
 
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I took a "manipulation of studies" course in college and it blew my mind. It was crazy to see how they can make the numbers work how they want based on a small change in one variable, standard dev for example. Now I take all studies with a grain of salt hahah
That sounds like a really fun class. I don't know anything about real research, but I did my share of boring/pointless papers in my college days and always relished the opportunity to have some fun with an assignment by playing devil's advocate. My proudest achievement was a "study" that proved Beavis and Butthead are positive role models... I still smile when I think about that one :) But yeah, grain of salt - especially when you know someone out there has an agenda on the topic.

Anyway, @KookaRocha - good to have you back Joe! (y)
 
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