Thanks for the info. Although I think we should still keep the energy level up and fight this thing.
UPDATES- FDA Regulation Thread - Petitions, Links, Action Items
- Thread starter Dick Leighton
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We should herf in Somerville some time! Ashes N Embers is a great spot.
Funny thing is, Senator Menendez is the only one who has responded and shown his support for the bill so far.
Just so people don't miss it, @THEMISCHMAN has posted this link before: http://savetheleaf.org/index.php/event/capitol-herf/
Signing the petitions is a great first step. But The Captiol Herf is how we all get heard. August 8th D.C.
A Huge Nerd
Lee-Hair-Oh
Still less than 5500 signatures. Sad.
El Chingon
C'est la vie
This was a main fear from the beginning, and although they have not yet chosen to ban walk-in humidors, thanks in part to our first round of fighting to have a Premium Cigar rider sneaked into the OMNIBUS to preemptively strike the FDA (didn't make it into the bill, but fanned the flames), industry experts are basing their predictions on a few things within the Final Rule's hundreds of pages ( https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/05/10/2016-10685/deeming-tobacco-products-to-be-subject-to-the-federal-food-drug-and-cosmetic-act-as-amended-by-the#h-10):
- Section 1140.14—Additional Responsibilities of Retailers which they state they are "still finalizing".
- "Additional Provisions" contained in the Summary of Major Provisions where they state the authority to "invoke its other authorities under the Tobacco Control Act in regulating these products." but are currently only invoking some of them.
El Chingon
C'est la vie
Indeed. We have to fight the nanny state with the worst case in mind and push the bastards as far back as possible as long as possible. "The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress" ~ Frederick Douglass
BrooksW
BoM June '09
This is not true, at least in the current form of the regulations.
We may not be getting signatures but at least there are some headlines:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cigars-idUSKCN0Y0280
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cigars-idUSKCN0Y0280
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
Great read, but very depressing. The sky might not be falling, but it's starting to drizzle. It's total Federal overreach. One-size-fits-all guidelines, because they're too lazy, or too stupid to do their homework. We make up 3% of total cigars sold/consumed in the market, teenagers DO NOT smoke premium cigars. All they had to do was enact Option II, exempting premium cigars over $10. Why didn't they do that? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! Let's just hope those morons in the House of Representatives vote to exempt premium cigars from these absurd and disgraceful FDA guidelines.
I concur. The more I read, the more depressed I get. Especially when we can only get together less than a tenth of the signatures needed for a petition.
Great work brother!
If 100 members online today did that then we'd have....well that's math and we all know the BOTL are terrible at that. But we'd have a lot!
Here's a decent round up of how we can all fight:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/blogs/show/id/how-to-fight-fda-cigar-regulation-18806
Please take a moment to make sure you've exhausted all options.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/blogs/show/id/how-to-fight-fda-cigar-regulation-18806
Please take a moment to make sure you've exhausted all options.
Stay informed and use facts to prove your argument:
http://www.cspdailynews.com/category-news/tobacco/articles/debunking-fda-s-deeming-claims
http://www.cspdailynews.com/category-news/tobacco/articles/debunking-fda-s-deeming-claims
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
Here's an email notice from one of the online retailers I occasionally use...
https://www.neptunecigar.com/tips/save-the-cigar-industry-sign-these-petitions-today?SRC=Weekly
https://www.neptunecigar.com/tips/save-the-cigar-industry-sign-these-petitions-today?SRC=Weekly
In the year that I have worked at Straus We have had one person who did not have ID and was obviously underaged. We ID when they enter if they look under 25. We also do not sell anything a kid would want. Like- Black and milds, swishers, blunts, leaf wrappers, glass pipes, e cigs, etc...
We are a traditional Tobacconist with PREMIUM Cigars, Briar and Meerschaum pipes and High end or premium Pipe Tobacco. No big bag tobaccos or alike. With things the way they are over 60% of our stock would have to be pulled with no reimbursement and that's just the start. I had the pleasure of getting to talk to Steve Saka this week when he stopped into the shop and he expressed the same fears that we have. That if these regulations stay as they are he will go under and we will also. His company is new, ours is 136 years old. It's painful to see such a small amount of the cigar community taking this seriously and or down playing the reality of what the outcome will look like.
We are a traditional Tobacconist with PREMIUM Cigars, Briar and Meerschaum pipes and High end or premium Pipe Tobacco. No big bag tobaccos or alike. With things the way they are over 60% of our stock would have to be pulled with no reimbursement and that's just the start. I had the pleasure of getting to talk to Steve Saka this week when he stopped into the shop and he expressed the same fears that we have. That if these regulations stay as they are he will go under and we will also. His company is new, ours is 136 years old. It's painful to see such a small amount of the cigar community taking this seriously and or down playing the reality of what the outcome will look like.
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
A very interesting retailer statement concerning FDA overreach:
http://tuesdaynightcigarclub.com/our-statement-regarding-the-fda-and-the-premium-cigar-industry/
http://tuesdaynightcigarclub.com/our-statement-regarding-the-fda-and-the-premium-cigar-industry/
Interesting but depressing!
Good points. Apathy and lack of action will be our downfall as we sit back and watch our freedoms pulled out from under us and sit around and bitch about how messed up and overreaching the government is.