WOW New HK 417
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To bad I live in CA.:rifleaim:
Texas Cop
Cavalry Scout
The beauties of a piston driven rifle :rifleaim: :rifleaim: If only the Army coulda solved the HUA problem in time to sign up for a couple thousand of these beauties...I think the price difference between the M4 w/accesories and the 416 w/accesories was less than $100....If am able to break into the private sector post-Army, I will definately be considering one of these bad boys..
drew
drew
Ratbert
BoM Oct '07
I don't believe that Jersey residents are even allowed to look at pictures of rifles like these!
Texas Cop
Cavalry Scout
Quickly now, erase the memories from your head, and wash your eyes out with soap...
drew
Cigar_Ben
NiceTightAsh.com
This is HK so saying it rocks, works like a champ, is bad ass is redundant. I love my HKs. The 416 is the ulimate rifle...up there with the Israeli Tavor.
The Army is fucking stupid for not getting this weapon. Thank God our Special Operations forces already have them. I think the big draw back is the military wants a larger caliber like the 6.8 Remington or a 6mm round of some sort. .22 caliber just ain't enough umph.
The Army is fucking stupid for not getting this weapon. Thank God our Special Operations forces already have them. I think the big draw back is the military wants a larger caliber like the 6.8 Remington or a 6mm round of some sort. .22 caliber just ain't enough umph.
Texas Cop
Cavalry Scout
Actually, as far as I know, the Army has abandoned the 6.8 (.270) as well, aside from SOCOM..Barrett developed a rifle, believe it was called the Grendel (though that may have been a different manufacturers name)...Based on the AR design, same general setup, RIS, all the good stuff...It was designed to be a mid-level weapon for your squad level DMs....Pretty good stuff IMO, but again, the Army turned it down...The dropped how many billions into the OICW (or XM8 or Xrifle or whatever you want to call it) project, and got absolutely NOTHING from it. Now they refuse to spend money on proven weapon systems....oh well...That's above my paygrade..For now, I'll scrub my M4 and dream of better days while praying Iran doesn't start feeling froggy...
drew
drew
Cigar_Ben
NiceTightAsh.com
Army is known for doing stupid shit. The Grendel was a different caliber in the 6.5 mm range.
www.65grendel.com
Barretts gun was a 6.8 SPC. Fine gun like all Barrett. The Grendel was developed by Alexander Arms. They also made a .50 before that was insanely kick ass called Beowulf.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/
I don't think the OICW was killed, but suspended. Ah well, you never know what will happen. I'm sure you'll get some nice new toys to play with. Being a 19D is fun.
www.65grendel.com
Barretts gun was a 6.8 SPC. Fine gun like all Barrett. The Grendel was developed by Alexander Arms. They also made a .50 before that was insanely kick ass called Beowulf.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/
I don't think the OICW was killed, but suspended. Ah well, you never know what will happen. I'm sure you'll get some nice new toys to play with. Being a 19D is fun.
19D..Calvary Scout... They are ok. Better than 11B (Read cannon fodder.)
Although the only grunts I got to hang with regulalry from the Army were 18Ds and 46Qs. Why we were sent overseas with Army and Navy medics beat the shit out of me.
All in all, i would take an HK over about any other weapon platform out there. Something about the old HK 53 that makes it my favorite weapon. I do like the MP5 in 10mm, but never really got to take it to the field. The 9mm age is coming and going fast. I am on the FN kick. Have the P7 now and a P90 Auto dealer sample coming. Le sigh, I have to take it to 3 LE depts. for test firing. Could be worse things..
Although the only grunts I got to hang with regulalry from the Army were 18Ds and 46Qs. Why we were sent overseas with Army and Navy medics beat the shit out of me.
All in all, i would take an HK over about any other weapon platform out there. Something about the old HK 53 that makes it my favorite weapon. I do like the MP5 in 10mm, but never really got to take it to the field. The 9mm age is coming and going fast. I am on the FN kick. Have the P7 now and a P90 Auto dealer sample coming. Le sigh, I have to take it to 3 LE depts. for test firing. Could be worse things..
HK makes some of the best firearms around. My first fun was an HK USP Compact in .40 and I still love it. I'd have more HK but they price their shit way out of line. The 416/417 is a great weapon system, however there are at least a half dozen others out there that do the same thing just about as well. Further, the 416 (and I assume the 417) are available for civi purchase (semi of course) if you look really, really hard. HOWEVER, HK has gone it's typical route lately of pricing shit so far out of line that almost no one can afford it...that is if I'm right and they are even allowing civi sales on their new toy. From what I've heard, there are uppers (that's just the upper half of the weapon) available, but the cost on them is equal to 2 or 3 fully tricked out AR-15's. Completely ridiculous.
I love their firearms, they know how to make them, but they are way, way too proud of them.
I love their firearms, they know how to make them, but they are way, way too proud of them.
Ar15s and M16s are what they are. A proven weapon system. The problem is that they get hot, the barrels glow, they hate sand and mud, they just dot take into account new technologies. It is the exact same weapons platform from the 60s and 70s (They have changed a few internal parts such as the bolt, and ejector materials) The awesome thing about this weapon platform for many consultants is the ammo is readily available and you dont fell bad about leaving a magazine behind when you are in the shit.
For the money poney up and get a
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=35&productid=114
Over an Ar15. You invest a little more money, but I think it iw worth it.
For the money poney up and get a
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=35&productid=114
Over an Ar15. You invest a little more money, but I think it iw worth it.
Yeah, the SIG 556 is a beautiful weapon. There are just so many choices coming out for this type of system. SIG 556, Magpul MOSADA, Robinson Arms XCR, just to name the ones that come to mind immediately. I know there are others as well.
I guess I just don't really understand some of the points you were making S. What ammo are you saying is readily available? 7.62 over .223? And what magazines are we talking about that you would feel any less remorse about leaving behind? I'm not saying it's not an awesome weapons system by any means, but there are plenty of other options out there as well.
BTW, did HKPro catch you in any of their photo's of the Blackwater gig?
I guess I just don't really understand some of the points you were making S. What ammo are you saying is readily available? 7.62 over .223? And what magazines are we talking about that you would feel any less remorse about leaving behind? I'm not saying it's not an awesome weapons system by any means, but there are plenty of other options out there as well.
BTW, did HKPro catch you in any of their photo's of the Blackwater gig?
Texas Cop
Cavalry Scout
Thanks for the clarification there! I'm always getting the 6.5 and 6.8 mixed up...
drew
Texas Cop
Cavalry Scout
I was wondering if he was talking about the same event they mentioned, I just read their write up a coupla days ago..
As to the mags/ammo being easily found and dumped, I believe he was referring to the M4/M16... .223 ammo is available around the glode, and AR mags are a dime a dozen...I've never really been a fan of Sig weaponry, nothing against them or their product, just a personal dislike..I suppose we are all allowed one of those..
I'm not sure whether the 416/7s will be sold to civilians, or what the price will be, but if it means anything, from what I've read the 416/7 packages that were sold to the government were $100 (believe that's what they said) more than the M4 packages, sooo....Maybe we'll catch a break...
Seg, you're gonna have to bring your P90 over by my place as well, so I can test fire it..Make sure it's safe for you to..uh...yeah..just gotta make sure it's safe :stretchgr
drew
drew
The official word is no, they won't be sold to civi's. To do so, HK would have to build a factory over here to build them. THat being said, they are still finding their hands into some civi's hands. At anywhere from $3K-5K. For the upper ALONE. From what I understand the actual resale on them for a LE and such would be around $1200. Still pricey for an AR style railed upper, but not ridiculous (though you can pick up an S&W M&P15T for that amount).
If you are right, then yeah I get what he was saying, I thought he was talking about the HK 417 system (7.62).
I was at the range a while back while a guy was running an auto P90 (regular barrel, not the long civi one). Cool as shit.
If you are right, then yeah I get what he was saying, I thought he was talking about the HK 417 system (7.62).
I was at the range a while back while a guy was running an auto P90 (regular barrel, not the long civi one). Cool as shit.
Ya .223 ammo and mage are like dirt cheap. You can also get them anywhere.
I was there with HKPro, not sure if I am in any pictures though, there were a ton being taken. There are arms expos there that are not advertised and shooters get together to look stuff over.
Lots of shooters from Blackwater and SOS there. I have worked for both in the past. Its a lot of fun, but what is more fun is at the bars at night getting a bunch of SF operators drunk and try and out do one another.
I was there with HKPro, not sure if I am in any pictures though, there were a ton being taken. There are arms expos there that are not advertised and shooters get together to look stuff over.
Lots of shooters from Blackwater and SOS there. I have worked for both in the past. Its a lot of fun, but what is more fun is at the bars at night getting a bunch of SF operators drunk and try and out do one another.
Ahh, ok, I hear ya now. Of course, I wish .223/5.56 ammo reall was "dirt cheap and available" right now in the civi world. The pricing for the good stuff (mostly surplus) has been going through the roof. Hell, even Wolf is almost $200/1K right now.