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I'm a part-time (night) student and I really need a laptop for school and personal use. The school gives out laptops for full time students but not part time??

The question is: Is it worth paying more for a Mac as opposed to just going with a Dell?? I'm woried about compatibility issues with school assignments. I know we have a few students here so I wanted to see what you guys use and how you like it. Also, I'm interested in what anyone has to say about either or, it's a big purchase so I want to do my homework!

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I have a mac that my school gave to me. the OS is faster for the mac. they now have windows for Macs. so you can use both you just choose what operating system you would like to use when you boot it up. i prefer this set up.
 

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They both have advantages. The Mac is better for graphic artists and video production, but there are less games and programs written for it because less peolple use them. Also there are less viruses written for them, so pretection is easier. Bad part they cost alot if you don't need the postives, I say save the money and buy the Dell or equvilant. With the mac you could make some sic looking graphs and charts for scool, but is it worth the money. However, the new Mac Airbook Looks freaking sweet!!


But I do not know all the ins and outs of the mac so I'm not really an authority on the subject
 

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i was upset when i got the mac and then realized that i couldnt play any games but with Windows for Macs now i can have the best of both worlds.
 
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I don't buy anything Mac. They don't like to play with others.
If you are going to run windows on Mac, why not buy a cheaper PC anyway?
Everything you have on mac, you have on windows.
Not everything you have on windows you have on MAC.
Unless you are graphics designer, or music producer, then what's the point?
Someone said mac is faster... not ture. Now that Mac uses Intel, they are the same speed.
Mac runs "better" usually for some people, becuase they don't install extra things. (Becuase there are not many extra software to play with and install.).
Windows, if you did the same thing (meaning, run it out of box) And only use office, IE, and windows, and don't install a bunch of 3rd party crap, will run just fine, and probalby do many things better also.
 

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It's a tough call! I have 4 more years until I finish my MBA, so I may go Dell and then we'll see about buying a MAC down the road...

I appreciate all the advice, it's a tough call. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Dell.
 

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I've been a Mac user exclusively since about 1991-ish. In fact, I've never personally owned a PC, and I've never had to use one at work either. I am 100% all-Mac, all-the-time.

Now then, having said that, here are some *FACTS* you need to know:


#1 - So far, this thread has been filled with a bunch of misinformaed hearsay. It's not even worth going through how much FUD has been spread in thsi thread; just suffice it to say that if you want an opinion on how using a Mac will affect your day-to-day computer use, TALK TO A MAC USER. In fact, your BEST BET is to talk to a fellow student who is already a Mac user and does the same type of things that you'll be doing with one.


#2 - Apple makes 3 lines of laptops: the standard "MacBook", the ultralight "MacBook Air", and the beefy "MacBook Pro". I haven't used an Air yet, but I have extensively used both the standard MacBook and the MacBook Pro. Obviously, the Pro is a much better machine, with larger screen options (15" and 17", as opposed to the 13"), a significantly better video card, more expansion/ports, and a nicer keyboard...but to be perfectly honest, the standard base-model MacBook is still a damn-fine computer that is about 80% as good for half-the-cost. Unless you want to do really serious professional photography/graphic design/video-television work, the video quality in the standard MacBook is just fine.

The MacBook ranges from $1099 to $1499
The MacBook Air costs $1799
The MacBook Pro ranges from $1999 to $2799

There is probably no reason for you to get anything other than the base-model $1099 MacBook; it's a very powerful machine that offers the best bang-for-the-buck in their entire product line.

If you compare apples-to-apples (or rather, comparably equipped big-brand PC laptops to comparably equipped Mac laptops) you will find that there isn't much difference in price, if any at all. HOWEVER, you can very easily find less equipped, less powerful PC laptops from smaller brands for much less money than the cheapest Mac laptop.

That's not saying that PCs are cheaper than Macs; again, compared apples-to-apples, they're typically the same.

It's just saying that you've got a much wider range of choices in the PC world, and if you need less laptop power than a MacBook, or need to buy a stripped-down $500 laptop, you'll need to buy a PC.


#3 - Microsoft is the largest software publisher on the Mac platform, and Office is the biggest selling piece of Mac software. Unfortunately, Office on the Mac isn't quite the same as Office on Windows. Most of that has to do with the fact that Office uses a bunch of direct tie-ins to Windows that obviously aren't possible on a Mac because we don't run Windows (not counting in virtualization; more on that later). Mac Office is generally very good at working with general Word, Excel, and PowerPoint documents, but occasionally the formatting can get a bit wonky or out-of-wack. Will that matter to you? It might, especially in a collaborative term paper environment. You'll have to talk to a fellow Mac-using student to know for sure. I can say that the general consensus seems to be that Office 2008 for Mac is a great product.

Unfortunatley, Office for Mac lacks some of the critical things for business users (like Access, or VB support in Excel...wtf?!?) but that might not matter to you as a student.

Fortunately, Office for Mac comes in a great Student editon that only costs $149. It's got Word/Excel/PowerPoint plus "Entourage", which is kinda like Outlook Express with some bonus features. The only real downside to the Student version is that it doesn't have the ability to work with an Exchange server if that's how you get your mail (like I do at work with the full-blown Office). As a student, that probably doesn't matter since you likely don't get mail via a MS Exchange server....but you'll need to check before-hand, just to be safe.


#4 - The Internet is usually platform agnostic, but occasionally you'll run into a page that REQUIRES the use of Internet Explorer. Unfortuntely, there is no Internet Explorer on the Mac anymore. Microsoft decided to stop developing it several years ago (5.5 was the last version we got). Safari, Firefox, Camino, Opera, Omniweb, and a multitude of other fine browsers exist on the Mac platform, but none of them can do the ONE TRICK that makes certain pages IE-specific: direct tie-ins to Windows itself. Oh, and since we don't run Windows, naturallly those pages won't work! LOL


#5 - Sure, Macs can run Windows in either dual-boot mode *or* side-by-side via virtualization. Fortunately, there's usually not much reason to do so (in fact, I personally only need Windows virtualization for testing web pages in Windows). My wife, however, uses it quite a bit on her MacBook Pro because of one particular Relator website that requires IE (see item 4 above). The cool thing is that the newest version of both Parallels and VMware (the two leading virtualization environments) allow you to run Windows transparently--that is, you can run Windows inside of Mac OS, then TOTALLY HIDE WINDOWS ITSELF, and just run the PC-only software (like Internet Explorer) inside of Mac OS, totally transparently, side-by-side:

MAC and WINDOWS applications running side-by-side within Mac OS:


Ain't that cool? Now you don't have to dual-boot, choosing either Mac or Windows; now you can run Mac OS exclusively and just run Windows applications inside of Mac OS.

(NOTE: it doesn't work worth a damn for 3D video games because of the way they draw directly to the screen. For that kind of stuff, you would have to dual-boot into Windows exclusively)


#6 - If you've always been a Windows/PC user, things will freak you out for a while when you transition to Mac OS. That's because some things will be in different places, and other things just won't make any sense to you because it operates completely differently. That's not to say either environement is superior to the other; it's just the TRANSITION that is so damn difficult. It's be the same if you were transitioning to Linux or Solaris or any other computer OS. It's the same when a Mac user transitions to Windows.

You need to understand that it's a significant change, and that you will need time to get accustomed to the differences between the OSes.


#7 - People think Macs have fewer viruses because they have a smaller installed userbase; that's partially true, but it's not the REALLY BIG reason. You see, Windows lets software (good and bad software) install itself and modify the operating system. Mac OS X doesn't allow that--unless you want to do so and give it your administrator password. On a Mac, *YOU* are the decider. On Windows, *SOFTWARE* is the decider...and that software can be a virus.

In the real world, I've been using Macs connected to the Internet for 10+ years now, and I have never used ANY virus protection software, EVER...and I've never gotten a virus.

That has a lot more to do with the underpinnings of the OS than it does the marketshare.





Okay, that's all I've got for now.
 

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Nice Duane, That pretty much cleared up my mis-conceptions. I knew they were good, but for different reasons. I was hoping he would find a Mac user to expound on the subject.
 
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I have a macbook. Use it for school and music recording/writing. I love it. Very intuitive and no problems in the first year and a half I've had it!

However, if your work for school will work on a pc- you can save a bunch of money. If you're not using some of the features (music stuff, or any of the "i" programs- iweb, imovie, itunes, garageband) which are freaking awesome to use for video/audio production stuff or web design- go with a cheaper pc. You pay for the extra stuff, but don't just go with one cause they look cool. I'd say weigh the options- do you just want a word processor and internet? Go with a pc.
 

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I have a macbook. Use it for school and music recording/writing. I love it. Very intuitive and no problems in the first year and a half I've had it!

However, if your work for school will work on a pc- you can save a bunch of money. If you're not using some of the features (music stuff, or any of the "i" programs- iweb, imovie, itunes, garageband) which are freaking awesome to use for video/audio production stuff or web design- go with a cheaper pc. You pay for the extra stuff, but don't just go with one cause they look cool. I'd say weigh the options- do you just want a word processor and internet? Go with a pc.
yeah if you dont need the mac specifics then save the money. i like my mac but im an art student so it comes in handy
 
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#7 - People think Macs have fewer viruses because they have a smaller installed userbase; that's partially true, but it's not the REALLY BIG reason. You see, Windows lets software (good and bad software) install itself and modify the operating system. Mac OS X doesn't allow that--unless you want to do so and give it your administrator password. On a Mac, *YOU* are the decider. On Windows, *SOFTWARE* is the decider...and that software can be a virus.

In the real world, I've been using Macs connected to the Internet for 10+ years now, and I have never used ANY virus protection software, EVER...and I've never gotten a virus.

That has a lot more to do with the underpinnings of the OS than it does the marketshare.

Okay, that's all I've got for now.

That's simply not true and very misleading. Missing lots of information and not simply that straight foward.

In fact the market share factor is more key than the vulnarabilites in windows was when viruses where flying around.

Windows also, becuase of it's larger user base has more "naive" users who install 3rd party stuff (which is not as big an option on mac in the past), and ignore system messages when they come up, they don't read them, and simply hit OK.
Myself and many that I know and work with, have been using windows for many many years, and not had problems with viruses (even without antivirus, i would never use antivirus, just slows the machine down alot).
Mac Users in the past are a small set of users with mainly art stuff on their boxes.
Windows users is millions with business info on their boxes.

If you write a virus? Who would you target? The easier big interesting target? Or the tiny percent of people who have nothing on their PC that interests you anyway?
 

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yeah if you dont need the mac specifics then save the money. i like my mac but im an art student so it comes in handy
I'm with you, for what I'll be doing I think the PC is a better fit, at leat until I'm done with school. My Company offers a discount through Dell, so that will pretty much seal the deal for me :) Now I just need to pay for it...Oh well, that's what income tax rebates are for :)
 

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It's not misleading; it's the truth.

- A web browser can't install software/virus on a Mac.
- An email client can't install software/virus on a Mac.
- An Office document can't install software/virus on a Mac.

The only way you can install software/virus on a Mac is to either:
(#1) Purposely downloading software, choose to install it, and give up the admininstrator password.
(#2) As a hacker/virus author, find a "backdoor" into the system.

The "marketshare" reason is valid, yes, but it only affects (#2) above. Are the hackers/virus authors less attracted to the 25 million Mac users compared to the, what, 250 million Windows users? Sure, of course. But it doesn't change that (#1) item above, which is the fact that it's DIFFICULT to infiltrate Mac OS X with a virus because it has to be user-driven (a Trojan Horse) as compared to the typical virius/script that can infect a PC via a web browser/email/any other software.
 

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DO NOT GET A DELL! Did i say that loud enough. I have gone through 2 Dell laptops in the past 4 years and now using an HP.. Everyone I know is making the swtich from Dell to either a SOny Viao or HP..

As for the differences between the Mac and Windows based PC, just remember, both have roughly the same programs for each format. Their are some that will nto work with Mac. BUt as for the most part, if it runs on a PC then it will run on a MAC. Go with your budget, likes and instincts tell you.

Another note, a laptop will be outdated in 6 months from the time you buy it. So, whatever you get, plan on the mid future.
 

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For business I use a PC. I have a Gateway that I paid $640 duo cor etc, etc. It handles my 12 page spreadsheets and the internet just great. Sucker has never given me pause.
 
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The only up side to getting a Dell is that you can get a business level support contract where they will come to your house and fix the thing for like years.

A Mac you take it down to your local fruit stand or have to ship it out. Good service compared to regular Dell service which can take ages sometimes.

I just like Macs because of the whole OS and design of the things as a package. Windows annoys the heck out of me, and most people that get a mac eventually get used to doing things the mac way and don't want to go back. With VMWare fusion, Parallels, and dual booting now theres even less reason not to get one.

What I do like about my Macbook Pro is that it really takes a beating. I fell backwards on some ice with it in my backpack and it survived cause of the aluminum case. If it was plastic the thing would have cracked but it just bent not causing any problems. I carry it back and forth to work every day and use it as my main computer at home. My Powerbook is still going after using it for over 3 years, and I have it as my backup machine.
 
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I love a good fight...

If I had my way, I would have a MAC for my photo business and a PC for my home gaming/goofing off... However, since I cannot have both, I went with the PC route.

-BR
 
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