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I picked up a Canon HV20 for $529 from Circuit City (msrp $999). Very nice, records HDV and has 24p cinema for film-like recording. I'm planning to get a shogun mic and tripod next.

Any amateur or pro video videographers here? Post your setup and hints/tips/tricks here!
 

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i would be lucky if i could figure out how to turn it on. please get good at it. I will fly you to florida to make a video
 
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Nice purchase! You'll thoroughly love it!

I just picked up the Canon HV30 from bhphoto.com about a month and a half ago. They had a killer deal on it, $659.50 total, shipped to my house.

I freakin' love this thing, the picture quality is absolutely amazing. I don't know what the differences between our camcorders is other than mine is black and yours is silver. If I remember right, the differences were very minor which made a lot of camcorder enthusiasts very mad.

The first thing I purchased after buying mine was some new high capacity batteries and a charger. I already have a pretty nice tripod, but a shotgun mic and hood/filters are on my list of things to buy. I am also considering buying a green screen, even though I have no idea how to use & edit videos...yet.

I have found a pretty good site with forums for learning about these camcorders, www.hv20.com. I am still a newbie at best with filming, but I wouldn't mind learning how to get better at it, specifically the editing part on the computer.
 

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Yeah, I was a few weeks late to the NAB deal from B&H. On the HV20 forums I saw that people were picking up HV20's as open-box deals at CC (mine had one brand new though!). The hv30 has 30p whereas the hv20 doesn't. Thanks for reminding me on the batteries, 60 min recording per charge is limiting.

Since I'm on a Mac, I'm pretty much limited to HDV until I can save up for Final Cut Pro to edit 24p. Even then, it doesn't do pulldown. It's possible to use DVFilm Maker to cinematize HDV though.
 

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I'm a pro-video guy "on the side"....which is to say I have a video business that makes enough money to support itself, but not enough to actually put anything in my pocket. LOL :laugh: I shoot with a few different cameras, all of which are in the "Sony Broadcast & Professional" product line (but on the bottom end of the spectrum, like in the $2000 range, not the $200,000 range). I think I've got a couple of off-the-cuff tidbits I can share real quick....


* I'm a huge fan of Canon camera equipment; I've used quite a bit of it over the years and have even bought a few units. So kudos on the camera choice, I think you're gonna be thrilled. It's got a couple of really critical features that I'd demand when looking at a small consumer-grade cam: (A) the more mature format of HDV as opposed to the AVCHD which I just don't like; (B) a mic input, which while not as nice as true XLR, is still very serviceable; (C) an accessory hot shoe; (D) a threaded front end that can accept a protective UV filter or a wide-angle lens.

* I've shot plenty of footage in both SD and HD, and I can tell you that I've shot better looking footage using an SD camera equipped with great lenses and quality 3CCD sensors than compared to a consumer-grade HD resolution camera with a single CMOS sensor. I'm not saying that to knock your camera choice; rather, I'm pointing out something that seems counterintuitive: the fact that RESOLUTION is nowhere near as important as all these camera manufacturers would have you believe in their marketing materials! The lens quality, the sensor size, and the number of sensors (3 vs 1) are far, far, far more important than resolution. So while that HV20 is a truly awesome camera, it's definitely in the "prosumer" range. I mention that only to say that you're only going to be able to get so much out of that camera. Granted, that "so much" is friggin' LIGHT YEARS ahead of just about every other consumer camera on the market (can you tell I like that little Canon camera yet? LOL) but it's just remember it's still a consumer camera, so you're not going to be able to shoot documentaries, or broadcast-quality footage, or even low-budget films with it...but for enthusiast home video use, it's very likely one of the top 3 cameras on the market, and one of the very few that I'd buy myself!

(Gawd, I'm starting to sound like a pompous ass..let me get back on track here)

* Here's a general rule about shooting high-quality video: 70% of what you see is what you hear. I say that to point out what your very first purchase should be (and what you've already mentioned): a shotgun mic. For your camera choice, I'd *highly* recommend the RODE VIDEOMIC.

* In addition to the shotgun mic, I'd definitely recommend that you buy a threaded UV filter to protect the lens from scratches.

* In addition to the shotgun mic and the UV filter, I'd suggest you look into buying the available Wide Angle lens. I found that my video work got substantially better when I started shooting with a wide angle lens coupled with GETTING CLOSER to my subject matter.

* If you noticed, I made a couple of links to B&H Photo & Video. I'd *highly* recommend dealing with them. They are a quality vendor in a marketplace full of the shadiest dealers you'll find in any market. Ugh, the camera market is just FULL of sleazy dealers sellling "gray market" equipment, so be sure to really watch who you deal with on the Internet!

* For the most part, I'd say not to trust the "24p" cameras out there that retail for under $2000...with the notable exceptions of the Canon HV20 and HV30! Those little sub-$1000 cams do true progressive-scan 24p as opposed to the somewhat questionable "24f" that some of their higher-priced, more professional siblings do!

* If you use a Mac, I'd highly recommend "Final Cut Express" as your non-linear video editing software choice. If you're on Windows PC, then I'd probably recommend Sony Vegas Platinum which is a highly capable, if somewhat non-standard, NLE environment. If you plan on authoring DVDs however, then I'd definitely recommend stepping up your software choices to their Final Cut Pro Studio (which includes Compressor AC3 software and DVD Studio Pro) or on a PC, Sony Vegas Pro (which includes AC3 software and DVD Architect).

* Some people will disagree with me on this, but I make a point to NEVER reuse tapes. EVER. I buy tapes in bulk and just shoot my ass off (sometimes as much as 8 hours of footage in a single day, which is harder than it sounds) and always use fresh tapes. Even though in theory reusing tapes is fine because it's just digital 0's and 1's being recorded, I have found that I will get occasional random timecode errors when shooting on a tape that already has been recorded on...and that will seriously screw things up in the NLE software. Ugh, it's a pisser, you don't wanna have to deal with that. Just use new tape every time.

Okay, dang, that's all I can think of at the moment! :rofl:
 

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Oh shit, y'all have made a couple of posts while I was typing all that!

Okay, so you're on a Mac--cool. You'll definitely want FCE or FCP. I personaly started off on FCE and truth be told, it's not substantially different than FCP. The real difference comes with all the things you get with the STUDIO part of FCP, especially Compressor and DVD Studio Pro. Those are just absolute requirements if you produce DVDs (which is what I do).

Oh and one more thing...

24p in and of itself has very, very, very little to do with achieving a "cinematic" look. The WAY you shoot, the LENSES you shoot with, and the LIGHTING have far, far more to do with it than the 24 progressive frames-per-second frame rate do. I've seen things shot in 480i that look more "cinematic" than things shot in HD 24p. As an example, I've seen things shot with the old Sony PD series (which I used to shoot with) that were captured in-camera at 480i, but done so in such a manner that they really looked shockingly "cinematic".

But having said that, if given a choice, I'd shoot in 24p with that little HV20 or an HV30 all day long! But I'd recommend you learn the basics of cinematography and lighting if you really want your work to look more film-like.

Anyways, that's my 2¢ worth!
 

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Thanks for all the great info! FCE doesn't support editing 24p so I'll have to save my pennies for FCPS.
 
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Thanks for the input on the accessories, I was looking at picking up a Rode Mic because of the positive reviews, your recommendation just sealed the deal.

So you recommend the Sony Vegas Pro for editing on a PC? I have Adobe Premiere Pro (approx. 1 year old) and Pinnacle Studio 11 (I just recently bought this). I am a total newbie to video editing so I would like to use whatever is the easiest to learn on. If they are all similar, then I may pick up the Sony Vegas Pro.
 

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Thanks for all the great info! FCE doesn't support editing 24p so I'll have to save my pennies for FCPS.
Oh yeah, that's true. But back when I was using FCE, I was shooting DVCAM, which is SD, so I never ran into that issue.

You'll love Final Cut Studio tho; it's really awesome. I've been using it for several years now and can't imagine using anything else!
 

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Thanks for the input on the accessories, I was looking at picking up a Rode Mic because of the positive reviews, your recommendation just sealed the deal.

So you recommend the Sony Vegas Pro for editing on a PC? I have Adobe Premiere Pro (approx. 1 year old) and Pinnacle Studio 11 (I just recently bought this). I am a total newbie to video editing so I would like to use whatever is the easiest to learn on. If they are all similar, then I may pick up the Sony Vegas Pro.
Well if you already have Adobe Premier Pro, I'd probably just stick with that. It's operates like any other "typical" NLE environment, similar to how Final Cut Pro and Avid work.

Sony Vegas is sort of a weird duck in how it works (meaning the timeline doesn't look or work like timelines do in "typical" NLEs). That's mostly due to the lineage of the software; you see it was originally an AUDIO editing program that sorta morphed into a video editing one, so the general principles on which it's based came from a completely different line of thinking. That's not necessarily a BAD thing; most people out there actually prefer the weird way it works.

I recommended it based on the fact that it's the most popular "prosumer" NLE software nowadays on the PC platform (or so, that's what it seems like from all the things I've been reading the past few years) but you really ought to take my opinion on it with a grain of salt because I've never actually used it myself.

But like I said, you already have Preimer, so if I were you I'd just stick with that.

Oh, and one more thing...

I use a lot of heavy hitting software in my "day job" (namely Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, QuarkXpress, Dreamweaver, Flash) and I have to say that learning Final Cut was one of the hardest software packages of all to learn. I'd image that Preimer, Vegas, or any other prosumer/profesional NLE will be equally as difficult because they're not geared towards consumers, they're geared towards professionals (most of whom already know how to edit).
 
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I use photoshop, illustrator, and dreamweaver quite a bit myself, but I haven't been able to catch on to Premier yet. It's one of those things that I just need to spend some time with and it will eventually "click". That's how I learned photoshop and illustrator. I don't like reading manuals....:stretchgr

So what kind of accessories would you recommend for an outdoor concert/fireworks show? I have some tickets to a 4th of July concert w/ fireworks show that I would like to record. Any special filters to use? Should I switch between the concert and fireworks?
 

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Nighttime? Unless you're really-really close, you're probably just screwed :frown: because any of these small CCD/CMOS cameras can't capture enough light to get decent shots without crazy-insane-unusable amounts of artificating and grain. No filters or lens options will help much at all.

Unfortunately, you can't fix physics. Or at least, I've never been able to figure out how (and I've tried plenty! LOL).

FYI - I started using Photoshop and Illustrator somewhere around 1991 or so and have been using them pretty much daily ever since...and there's still all sorts of things I don't know how to do in these programs because Adobe is *constantly* adding new stuff. LOL
 
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