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I have been watching this discussion now on a couple of boards. Although this will probably not affect most of us, we are watching our hobby being turned into a complete commercial venture. That is wrong.

I can only imagine how our ability to post personal opinions will be affected. Not to mention how our posts could be monitored by the "man".
 

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Which is good on me opinion, since he'll notice we're not interested in beeing bought at all.
 

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Announcement! Future Plans - Read within if you dare...
Hi everyone.

As you know I have recently purchased Clubstogie.com. As promised Paul, myself, and all of the moderators/admins here would like to, in an effort of full disclosure, clue you in to the future Clubstogie. I am honored to point out that all of the mods/admins for Clubstogie are onboard with this game plan and will be coming along for the ride and retaining their mod/admin powers. For clarity reasons I have put together the follow FAQ which hopefully will answer many of the questions you may have. And any questions it does not answer we will respond to as soon as possible but first I would like to share my vision with you.

I love cigars. It is a passion of mine and has been for over 5 years. Cigars help me relax, cigars help me think, cigars and friends and football make me happy. Cigars allow me to ensure long spousal conversations that I might not normally be able to endure. I see this as an opportunity to do what I love, do what has never been done before, and hopefully make it into a successful business as well.

If we are able to be part of the largest cigar social site on the planet it will enable us to do things that apart would not be achievable. For instance - create an annual charity poker tournament. Perhaps we can partner with a couple of cigar companies to sponsor a herf in Iraq or Afghanistan for our troops. Being able to build a singular voice may enable us to receive membership discounts on cigar product from various vendors. We may be able to do an annual cigar members conference. In addition to all of that a number of members have mentioned to me the ability to start a cigar advocacy group whose voice can be heard and respected. I believe we will have the ability to do all of those things and more if we can come together in a strong, powerful, and coordinated way and everyone will win.

Below is a list of Q/A I put together. If there are any questions you have that are not covered below (and I am betting there will be!) please post them and I would ask for your patience as it is my intention to respond to each and every question.

Q: I heard you recently bought a bunch of sites. Which sites did you buy?

A: This is true. I have purchased ClubStogie.com, Cigar-Review.com, Top25cigar.com, CigarLive.com

Q: I thought you also purchased Cigarsmokers.com. Did you?

A: I had initial intensions of purchasing Cigarsmokers - however the deal has fallen apart. As a result I do NOT own Cigarsmokers.com and will not own Cigarsmokers.com

Q: So what exactly are your plans?

A: We are starting a new consolidated network of cigar sites under one name calling it PUFF.COM. On the home page of Puff.com we will be putting together a compilation of the best off all of the sites. We will have cigar reviews, video, blogs, podcasts, newsletters, a top25 section, a lifestyle section, interviews, and anything else that makes sense and is interesting. We are also open to any ideas you may have. We will also have a central location called forums.puff.com where all of the above mentioned forums will be merged.

Q: But what about all my posts, my post count, my friend network, my awards, my settings, etc

A: We are going to do our best to bring over ALL of that data so NONE of it will be lost.

Q: What about my name? What if someone has the same name on one of the other forums?

A: In an effort of fairness -any- duplicate names will be changed to reflect the board from which you came IE the handle MRCIGAR exists on all 3 forums. Each person would have their name changed to MRCIGAR-CR (cigar review) MRCIGAR-CS (club stogie) MRCIGAR-CL (cigar live) - this will happen automagically.

Q: But I don’t want to be merged into a big forum. I like things the way they are and do not want any change! I like the friends and relationships on have on THIS board and don’t want to be forced to interact with others outside of my forum.

A: I understand and can appreciate your concerns. As a result here is what we will be doing. We will have our general cigar topics on forums.puff.com - all posts will be moved there. BUT we will be creating a 'clubhouse' for each individual forum. ONLY people who have come from that forum will have permission to see/post in the clubhouse. Existing mods/admins from each forum will continue to mod/admin their respective clubhouses as well as Puff.com. View the clubhouse as a sanctuary and more like a mini forum. You will gain access to the clubhouse by visiting the main page of forums.puff.com and you will see a forum called CLUB STOGIE CLUBHOUSE.

Q: What kind of topics will we have in our clubhouse?

A: Whatever you want. We want to avoid a lot of duplication - for instance if the main forums.puff.com has a section called Cigar Reviews we would want all of the posts dealing with cigar reviews to go there and not in 4 different places. However if you wanted a special HERF section for your clubhouse/board, a general place to discuss anything general cigar related, sports, whatever all of those are fine and we will set them up for you.

Q: What if I don’t want to be involved in the Puff.com community at all? Do I have to?

A: No. You don’t. You can simply participate in your clubhouse from your forum and if you decide to venture outside of that forum you can do that on your own terms.

Q: Who will the moderator/admins be for the new forums.puff.com?

A: All existing mods/admins of Clubstogie, Cigarlive, and Cigar-Review have agreed to continue in their roles as mods/admins. It will be a joint collaborative effort.

Q: When is all of this happening?

A: Most likely before the year is out - could be in a month or two. We have plenty of technical issues we need
to address in order to make it happen and to ensure everything works smooth out of the box.

Q: Will there be a PAID member area of the forum?

A: The entire forum will be open and free to everyone. We may have a paid membership section for things like special
discounts from vendors, sponsors, discounts on conferences and magazines and such but that would be the extent of it. If you have already paid for membership on Clubstogie that paid membership will move over to Puff.com

Q: What about forum rules? We have different rules here than the other forums do.

A: Mod teams from all forums will be getting together to discuss a combination of all of the rules from all 3 forums. It is my greatest hope that we will be able to take what makes each forum great and combine all of those strengths. It will take a collaborative effort on the part of the mods/admins/ and most importantly YOU for this to succeed.

OK guys this is really most of what I can think of. I will try to answer questions as much as possible. Please understand this is a fluid situation and not everything is etched into stone!

I can appreciate the fact that this is all conceptual at this point and once we launch Puff.com there will be a lot of additional concerns/questions. I give you my word we will work hard to not only address them but take all feedback into consideration. This is a joint effort - we will have the best combined mod/admin team for cigars in the world. And I am positive we will have the best cigar community as well. I intend to be super active in the forums and on the site - I will have a column on Puff.com and if any of you would like to participate beyond the forums (reviews, editorial, writing, blog, whatever!) please shoot me a PM.

Looking forward to meeting you guys for a smoke sometime real soon. We are shooting for a January/February Puff.com launch party where everyone will be invited. Drinks on me

jon
 
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Q: So what exactly are your plans?

A: We are starting a new consolidated network of cigar sites under one name calling it PUFF.COM.
I thought this was a joke until I saw the original post. That's a terrible name for a cigar forum.
 
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This whole thing is bullshit. At least i spend my time here, I would really be pissed if i was a dedicated member to one of the sites that has been bought.
 

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That's a trainwreck of a plan.




It'll be interesting to watch how it pans out.

My prediction: There will be a surge in membership here in the coming months.
 
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This whole thing is bullshit. At least i spend my time here, I would really be pissed if i was a dedicated member to one of the sites that has been bought.
Just out of interest and I apologize for what is a bit of a threadjack (let me know if I should start a new thread to discuss), but what do you folks, i.e. the people that have been around BOTL.org for a while, feel the difference is between this site and some of the others that are being bought.

I mostly lurk at CS and don't hang around any of the other boards so I am not really educated enough to put my finger on what it might be that makes this place "different" or "special". I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think that is and whether that special something might be something that potential refugees will be seeking out in the coming months...
 

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Just out of interest and I apologize for what is a bit of a threadjack (let me know if I should start a new thread to discuss), but what do you folks, i.e. the people that have been around BOTL.org for a while, feel the difference is between this site and some of the others that are being bought.

I mostly lurk at CS and don't hang around any of the other boards so I am not really educated enough to put my finger on what it might be that makes this place "different" or "special". I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think that is and whether that special something might be something that potential refugees will be seeking out in the coming months...


I think this would be a great thread of its own! That way its not lost in this slow train wreck. lol
 

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Wow, puff.com :wtf:

I can't imagine any members on any of the sites are happy about this. :argue:
 

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In some of his answers to the members of CS and CL he said that he wasn't going to acquire Cigarsmokers.com for the simple reason that it just wouldn't make a good fit. Even though I am a member on those forums myself I find it very unsettling how all of this is being done. Time will tell how it goes down and while I am not resistant to change for the better I do have a hard time swallowing that which is distasteful. I'm sure economics is a big part of this and when you command that much membership doesn't it tell you that advertisers will be lining up to be a part of all of this? I wonder how much advertising will be on the site when you sign in as all of the ads will be popping and flashing and such? It will almost be like NetZero when they had people signing up for free and when you signed on you had rolling ads and everything else going on and it becomes so distracting you feel you have to log off just to get some privacy. There is a cost to all of this and I'm afraid it is going to be a big one. Gone will be days of small town feeling of cigar communities even though Jon said that he'd try to keep that around by keeping the various boards in their own playing field. How long will that last? I don't even understand how a name Puff.Com could even be the standard bearer for the website name and then have the Mascot be a PufferFish with the catch phrase "Inhale Life",,,,does this fly in the face of what cigar smoking is all about? It's bad enough we have to fight those who would like to see cigar smoking banned but to have a catch phrase that pretty much antagonizes those who hate smoking period just doesn't make sense? I would think the powers that be would at least try not to cause problems from the get go as that would be like RJ Reynolds coming out and saying that cigarrette smoking really isn't deadly. Cigar smokers do not inhale as a rule because we know what the consequences are but I can't believe we have a supposed advocate who goes out and incites an already tough opponet and uses a catch phrase as this?

This is going to get really interesting in the next few months. As another member on here said it might be something where you see a lot more people wanting to join here as this still holds that small town cigar community which alot of us like. I can't even bear to say to anyone else that I belong to Puff.Com as it just sends the wrong message. What has become of my favorite hobby where people I enjoy talking with now have to worry about corporate agendas taking over their forums? I read where one person has already been banned for just giving his opinion or asking questions? This just doesn't seem like a good deal and I hope that BOTL resists the temptation of being sold or 'acquired' as the buzz word is. I have seen many a buyout and merger in my day and when the dust settles and people reflected on what happened there was always more regret than good feelings. A word to the wise, Change for change sake isn't always the best direction to take. Change is only good when it is managed well and offers solutions to those things that were going in the wrong direction to begin with. I don't see where BOTL has any problematic issues to have to worry about being taken over. I'm hoping that things stay just like they are,,,as a wise man once said, If It Aint Broke,,,,Don't Fix It!!
 
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