But did the transaction occur. It only says it will spend $500 million to buy 50%. hehe
F*ck Altadis
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Hear hear. Even if the brand changes the name, they will remain beeing what they are and anybody who knows at least a tad about cigars will go for what is worth.
ANother slkghtly off topic post...
Hendy and i found a super fake Arturo Fuente green label band when he an i were golfing. By green band i mean the ones that have the green at the bottom of the band. I think these typically go for like $4 or so. Not real expensive and we were shocked that someone would counterfit ThAT cigar.
Hendy and i found a super fake Arturo Fuente green label band when he an i were golfing. By green band i mean the ones that have the green at the bottom of the band. I think these typically go for like $4 or so. Not real expensive and we were shocked that someone would counterfit ThAT cigar.
Soundwave13
BoM Feb 2010
I think it's kinda interesting that they would post this in the sense that - it is actually serving to educate the casual smoker about the differences between cuban 'counterfeit' and fake-cuban 'counterfeit'. Just remove the 'counterfeit' part & this is a way to educate consumers enough to cut down on fake-cuban purchases. Being that it is illegal, why would they sponsor informational material in the USA about distinguishing between the two unless they're habano portion is suffering from sales loss due to an increased level of quality from cuban-counterfeiters?
Perhaps this is actually a stealth-marketing program targeting the counterfeiting industry, which is taking a significant percentage from the authentics. 90% of 'cubans' in the states are fakes? Why not educate the citizens about the differences all while staying free of legal attack from promoting something that is not allowed.
Sometimes any publicity is good publicity - the more people make a stink about this, the more people want to read it for themsulves, thereby educating themselves on the differences between the two...
Just a thought..
Perhaps this is actually a stealth-marketing program targeting the counterfeiting industry, which is taking a significant percentage from the authentics. 90% of 'cubans' in the states are fakes? Why not educate the citizens about the differences all while staying free of legal attack from promoting something that is not allowed.
Sometimes any publicity is good publicity - the more people make a stink about this, the more people want to read it for themsulves, thereby educating themselves on the differences between the two...
Just a thought..
I like the way you think Ken.:eyebrow:
I like that thought. And we call all agree that counterfeits are an issue.
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I suspect that's the case:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Features/CA_Feature_Basic_Template/0,2344,2505,00.html
That was my first thought, but Altadis is putting so many people in jail right now it's not even funny. If you're caught selling Cubans in the States, you'll now go to jail for violating Altadis' intellectual property rights. That guy in the post above from Ft. Lauderdale is just one example.
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Ok so Altadis owns half of Habanos SA. So they lose out if guys selling real CCs get caught and imprisoned. But the guy above was selling fake cubans, for which there may not be any good laws against, so he gets to walk. Now if you charge him with copyright infrindgement, on the NC Montes there is a bigger punishment. Good...... the guy was knowingly ripping people off. How many thousands of fakes were sold to tourists and such who went home only to realize they spent $400 on a father's day present that isn't worth $25.
Was he selling fakes???
ALTADIS said he was selling fake cigars, which only means they were not domestic Montecristos. I was under the impression they were authentic Habanos. Altadis just said they're "fakes" because they were not Altadis cigars.
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Quote from article
“He sold fakes purporting to be Cuban,” said Janelle Rosenfeld, a vice president at Altadis U.S.A. Inc., which owns the U.S. trademarks to Montecristo, Romeo y Julieta, H. Upmann and other cigars.
but now that they own part of altadis they are able to prosecute guys who are selling fakes in the US. because otherwise selling fakes was not illeagal as they are not acctually Cuban products. Like cathcing Al Capone for tax evasion. If you can't get him for one thing then get him for another. Just a means to an end.
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ok, but you can't leagally sell then here anyway, so to spread the word on counterfeits, and to stand by your stance about copyright laws, then you have to lump real Cuban cigars in with the mix. This only makes your average guy more careful to be sure to buy the real cuban cigars. Of course if you get caught with them you will get in trouble by the OFAC more than you would by Altadis. my .02 and it's changed since the begining of the thread, but there have been some posts here that got me thinking about why you would circulate that pamphlet.
I understand, but nowadays we live in a world where every-bloody-thing is everywhere. Information is available at the tip of one's fingers regardless of yer country. For example, I am in Mexico, yet I heard about this. Me point is, why talk bad about oneself?
If he was selling fake Cubans I could understand that, but I assumed they were real as I have never seen a fake Trinidad before. It just doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to counterfeit a smaller brand like them. Still, Altadis is advertising that even Cuban cigars are counterfeits of theirs. This is an asinine accusation no matter what.
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Soundwave13
BoM Feb 2010
Consider this, the two most common questions someone at an American cigar store gets from Joe Blow walking in off the street are:
"Do you sell cubans?"
..."No, it's illegal."
"Ok, than how about Macadudo's?"
...(roll eyes) "Yes, right over there..."
:hammersma
"Do you sell cubans?"
..."No, it's illegal."
"Ok, than how about Macadudo's?"
...(roll eyes) "Yes, right over there..."
:hammersma