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BOM 2/09-Keeper BOTtLe
I recently picked up a box of cigars from an auction and as I expected they hadn't been properly stored so I need to go through the very slow process of bringing them back and seeing if they have any flavor. But, what I didn't expect is they may be much older than I thought at first. I've found a site with a contact person who probably can give me great details, but I don't speak French and you know how Bablefish translates back and forth. Is anyone here willing to play middle person for me to ask a few questions to this guy? I may not find out these are any bigger prize than I first thought, but I enjoy digging through this stuff.
To those curious I'll share what I've got so far.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=390029648739
also got these from same source and they are from the same region so they might help shed some light on these as well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=390029668333
Site I found is
http://tinchant.blogspot.com/
With more details under Ernest Tinchant page
Here is the Bablefish I got for the main page
History of the factories of cigars TINCHANT It is French, Valère Tinchant, which in February 1789 left its native village, Thuillières out of Champagne, to embark for Saint-Domingue. It met there his wife of which it had a son, Jacques, born in the USA. Jacques Tinchant lived with New-Orleans (Louisiana). He was carpenter there then contractor. It there Maria in 1822. From this union were born seven wire including six with New-Orleans: Jacques junior - 1823-1849 Louis - 1824-1900 Jose - 1827-1899 Pierre - 1833-1866 Jules - 1836-1902 Ernest - 1839-1923 and Edouard - 1841-1915, in Gan, close to Pau in France Following the rise of the racial tensions in the south of the USA the household settled in France at the beginning of 1840. Jacques deals with farm. In 1857, Jacques decides to go up, with the assistance of some friends, a processing undertaking of tobacco in Antwerp (Belgium). The first firm Tinchant, House American, Louis Tinchant is founded. Jacques did not take a direct share there. It is his/her son, Louis, 32 years, made to Belgium into 1858 which will take to the direction with like employee his brother, Ernest, 19 years. At the end of 1869 Louis and Ernest join by contract. This association will last until the end of 1874; it will be perhaps renewed until the arrival of Jose in November 1875. After the rupture with Ernest, Louis only continues until 1879 when Edouard comes to Belgium. Louis sells his shares to him. The firm will be called Old American House Louis Tinchant, Edouard Tinchant. Louis dies in Antwerp the 24.05.1900. Edouard yields his brands of cigars to Ernest the 23.03.1908. Edouard dies in Leeds (GB) the 09.06.1915. Jose, who lived Mexico with woman and children, was in the trade of the tobacco. It arrives, therefore, in November 1875 in Antwerp with all its family and this at the request of Ernest. They found together the company Tinchant Frères which begins with ten workmen to the street Breydel, 11,13,15,17, in Antwerp. In 1884, two branches are founded; one in Stratum (Eindhoven) in the Netherlands, the other in Saint Nicolas's Day (Flanders Eastern). In 1891 Tinchant Frères occupy 1.200 workmen and export thirty million cigars. They are represented in several countries of the world: in Germany, France, Russia, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Portugal, Great Britain, etc In May 1895, separation of Ernest and Jose. Separation had to be rather epic since the family tradition said that a beautiful morning Jose and Ernest made build a brick wall to separate the two sides from the factory! Jose then creates (in 1895) the limited partnership Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co and installs its offices street Breydel, 15-17, in Antwerp. It keeps the mark Quo Vadis. Jose had married with New-Orleans Stéphanie Gonzalès the 20.06.1859. Jose dies the 28.04.1899 and the firm is taken again by the three wire, Vincent, born in 1864, Jules, born in 1870, and Pierre, born in 1871, associated managers. The 21.12.1899 is made up the company Habanera, public limit company Belgian for the tobacco industry in Russia. Authorized capital: two Belgian franc million. The seat of exploitation is in Saint-Pétersbourg. Vincent Tinchant is the managing director. Jules Tinchant dies the 04.07.1909 in Kapellen-Antwerp. In 1910 the company Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co has a store in New York (the USA), 303,3rd which occurred, Galba Cigarrito. 01.01.1920 creation of the limited partnership Tinchant & C° in Hamburg (Germany). In 1929, constitution of a sprl in Algiers under the denomination Count Tinchant & Co (Mr Gaston Count is associated). Pierre Tinchant dies in 1940. The two wire of Vincent, Henri and Vicente, have been active in the company for several years. The second world war announced the end of the activities. All the factories were bombarded. The buildings with Saint Nicolas's Day will be sold in 1936,1938 and 1941. The activities began again nevertheless after the war but then with cigars which were manufactured at Willem II in Valkenswaard in the Netherlands. That did not mean any more large-thing. The limited partnership Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co is liquidated the 31.12.1945. A public limit company Jose Tinchant & Gonzalès S.A. is made up the 18.12.1946. Vincent Tinchant dies the 13.06.1950. The 20.05.1952 brands of cigars will be yielded to the Alto firm in Turnhout. The public limit company is dissolved the 28.06.1956 and liquidation is enclosed the 18.12.1963. Ernest creates (in 1895) the company Ernest Tinchant, Successeur of Tinchant Frères. It installs its offices, 11-13, rue Breydel, with Antwerp and guard the Melior mark. In 1905 the firm employs 1.300 persons. In 1910 the firm is transformed into partnership with, like associates, Ernest and its sons, Ernest junior and Paul. Ernest dies the 06.12.1923 and the firm is sold in 1927 in Verellen Limited S.a. Louis Tinchant had a son, Carlos, whom one finds in 1901 as manufacturer of cigars in Brussels under the name of Carlos Tinchant. It is of course obvious that it did not have any dealings with the firm of his father, Louis, and of his uncle, Edouard. He went his own way. How long? We do not know it. Carlos Tinchant had a natural son, Georges, born the 19.02.1876 in Antwerp. This Georges Tinchant created in 1927 a company Manufactures Fine Cigars `Fleur d' Anvers' G. Tinchant & Co. This company had its seat, 54, rue Jacobs, with Antwerp and its factory with Grammont. The company was dissolved in February 1939. Summary 1857-1879 - American House, Louis Tinchant: Louis and Ernest (1857-1875) 1879-1908 - Old American House Louis Tinchant, Edouard Tinchant: Edouard 1875-1895 - Tinchant Brothers: Ernest and Jose 1895-1927 - Ernest Tinchant, Successor of Tinchant Brothers: Ernest and its sons Ernest junior and Paul 1895-1945 - Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co: Jose and her sons, Vincent, Jules and Pierre 1946-1956 - Jose Tinchant & Gonzalès S.A.: Henri and Vicente Carlos Tinchant: Carlos 1927-1939 - Manufacture of Fine Cigars `Fleur d' Anvers' G. Tinchant & Co: Georges Jose GOFFIN, member AVB and Philippe STRUYF, member AVB
To those curious I'll share what I've got so far.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=390029648739
also got these from same source and they are from the same region so they might help shed some light on these as well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=390029668333
Site I found is
http://tinchant.blogspot.com/
With more details under Ernest Tinchant page
Here is the Bablefish I got for the main page
History of the factories of cigars TINCHANT It is French, Valère Tinchant, which in February 1789 left its native village, Thuillières out of Champagne, to embark for Saint-Domingue. It met there his wife of which it had a son, Jacques, born in the USA. Jacques Tinchant lived with New-Orleans (Louisiana). He was carpenter there then contractor. It there Maria in 1822. From this union were born seven wire including six with New-Orleans: Jacques junior - 1823-1849 Louis - 1824-1900 Jose - 1827-1899 Pierre - 1833-1866 Jules - 1836-1902 Ernest - 1839-1923 and Edouard - 1841-1915, in Gan, close to Pau in France Following the rise of the racial tensions in the south of the USA the household settled in France at the beginning of 1840. Jacques deals with farm. In 1857, Jacques decides to go up, with the assistance of some friends, a processing undertaking of tobacco in Antwerp (Belgium). The first firm Tinchant, House American, Louis Tinchant is founded. Jacques did not take a direct share there. It is his/her son, Louis, 32 years, made to Belgium into 1858 which will take to the direction with like employee his brother, Ernest, 19 years. At the end of 1869 Louis and Ernest join by contract. This association will last until the end of 1874; it will be perhaps renewed until the arrival of Jose in November 1875. After the rupture with Ernest, Louis only continues until 1879 when Edouard comes to Belgium. Louis sells his shares to him. The firm will be called Old American House Louis Tinchant, Edouard Tinchant. Louis dies in Antwerp the 24.05.1900. Edouard yields his brands of cigars to Ernest the 23.03.1908. Edouard dies in Leeds (GB) the 09.06.1915. Jose, who lived Mexico with woman and children, was in the trade of the tobacco. It arrives, therefore, in November 1875 in Antwerp with all its family and this at the request of Ernest. They found together the company Tinchant Frères which begins with ten workmen to the street Breydel, 11,13,15,17, in Antwerp. In 1884, two branches are founded; one in Stratum (Eindhoven) in the Netherlands, the other in Saint Nicolas's Day (Flanders Eastern). In 1891 Tinchant Frères occupy 1.200 workmen and export thirty million cigars. They are represented in several countries of the world: in Germany, France, Russia, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Portugal, Great Britain, etc In May 1895, separation of Ernest and Jose. Separation had to be rather epic since the family tradition said that a beautiful morning Jose and Ernest made build a brick wall to separate the two sides from the factory! Jose then creates (in 1895) the limited partnership Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co and installs its offices street Breydel, 15-17, in Antwerp. It keeps the mark Quo Vadis. Jose had married with New-Orleans Stéphanie Gonzalès the 20.06.1859. Jose dies the 28.04.1899 and the firm is taken again by the three wire, Vincent, born in 1864, Jules, born in 1870, and Pierre, born in 1871, associated managers. The 21.12.1899 is made up the company Habanera, public limit company Belgian for the tobacco industry in Russia. Authorized capital: two Belgian franc million. The seat of exploitation is in Saint-Pétersbourg. Vincent Tinchant is the managing director. Jules Tinchant dies the 04.07.1909 in Kapellen-Antwerp. In 1910 the company Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co has a store in New York (the USA), 303,3rd which occurred, Galba Cigarrito. 01.01.1920 creation of the limited partnership Tinchant & C° in Hamburg (Germany). In 1929, constitution of a sprl in Algiers under the denomination Count Tinchant & Co (Mr Gaston Count is associated). Pierre Tinchant dies in 1940. The two wire of Vincent, Henri and Vicente, have been active in the company for several years. The second world war announced the end of the activities. All the factories were bombarded. The buildings with Saint Nicolas's Day will be sold in 1936,1938 and 1941. The activities began again nevertheless after the war but then with cigars which were manufactured at Willem II in Valkenswaard in the Netherlands. That did not mean any more large-thing. The limited partnership Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co is liquidated the 31.12.1945. A public limit company Jose Tinchant & Gonzalès S.A. is made up the 18.12.1946. Vincent Tinchant dies the 13.06.1950. The 20.05.1952 brands of cigars will be yielded to the Alto firm in Turnhout. The public limit company is dissolved the 28.06.1956 and liquidation is enclosed the 18.12.1963. Ernest creates (in 1895) the company Ernest Tinchant, Successeur of Tinchant Frères. It installs its offices, 11-13, rue Breydel, with Antwerp and guard the Melior mark. In 1905 the firm employs 1.300 persons. In 1910 the firm is transformed into partnership with, like associates, Ernest and its sons, Ernest junior and Paul. Ernest dies the 06.12.1923 and the firm is sold in 1927 in Verellen Limited S.a. Louis Tinchant had a son, Carlos, whom one finds in 1901 as manufacturer of cigars in Brussels under the name of Carlos Tinchant. It is of course obvious that it did not have any dealings with the firm of his father, Louis, and of his uncle, Edouard. He went his own way. How long? We do not know it. Carlos Tinchant had a natural son, Georges, born the 19.02.1876 in Antwerp. This Georges Tinchant created in 1927 a company Manufactures Fine Cigars `Fleur d' Anvers' G. Tinchant & Co. This company had its seat, 54, rue Jacobs, with Antwerp and its factory with Grammont. The company was dissolved in February 1939. Summary 1857-1879 - American House, Louis Tinchant: Louis and Ernest (1857-1875) 1879-1908 - Old American House Louis Tinchant, Edouard Tinchant: Edouard 1875-1895 - Tinchant Brothers: Ernest and Jose 1895-1927 - Ernest Tinchant, Successor of Tinchant Brothers: Ernest and its sons Ernest junior and Paul 1895-1945 - Jose Tinchant there Gonzalès & Co: Jose and her sons, Vincent, Jules and Pierre 1946-1956 - Jose Tinchant & Gonzalès S.A.: Henri and Vicente Carlos Tinchant: Carlos 1927-1939 - Manufacture of Fine Cigars `Fleur d' Anvers' G. Tinchant & Co: Georges Jose GOFFIN, member AVB and Philippe STRUYF, member AVB
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