Girl suspended for empty shotgun shell at Des Moines school
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hdroadglide
BoM x 2, BoY 2011
our country has traded common sense for politcal correctness.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
I don't know if Iowa has a teacher's union, but most teachers don't understand the "individual thought" concept. In California, most teachers are pinheaded liberals. Follow the herd. Like most school districts, there is a "no tolerance" policy for these types of issues. No thinking is involved...just an automatic suspension.
By the way my wife is a California school teacher. By law she is required to be a member of the union, but as a conservative she despises the union and their bullshit policies and opinions. Her goal is to educate children, not f**k the system at any cost.
Jason
By the way my wife is a California school teacher. By law she is required to be a member of the union, but as a conservative she despises the union and their bullshit policies and opinions. Her goal is to educate children, not f**k the system at any cost.
Jason
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As someone who shoots hundreds of rounds of ammunition a month, I can tell you that there is no harm in a empty casing. This is a travesty that the poor girl got suspended for bringing a piece of plastic to school.
tubaman
3 Time BoM
I think this is ridiculous that the kids got suspended.
Bagfulofpings, how can you say the vast majority of teachers are pinheads? I really take offense at that and I'm surprised your wife isn't offended by that also.
Bagfulofpings, how can you say the vast majority of teachers are pinheads? I really take offense at that and I'm surprised your wife isn't offended by that also.
Hot_Sauce
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I wonder how long this girl was suspended for? This is silly. We should be teaching chirdren gun safety not suspending them for bringing empty blank shot shells.
And what I mean by gun safety is how to check guns to see if they are loaded and such. Not shooting or defensive tactics.
And what I mean by gun safety is how to check guns to see if they are loaded and such. Not shooting or defensive tactics.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
I am speaking of California, but wherever there is a union, there are liberals. As I said, my wife is a conservative and she is the first to say most of her colleagues are pinheaded liberals. If that offends you, oh well. We agree to disagree.
Jason
Daviso27
Never been BoM
That sucks....
A kid in Orlando, FL just a few weeks ago was expelled from middle school for bringing a steak knife to school and pulling it out during lunch.... oh yeah and he also brought in 1/2 a NY strip, mashed potatoes and a fork... The school board said, "oh well, the parents and the student should have known better, Zero tolerance means no exceptions."
A kid in Orlando, FL just a few weeks ago was expelled from middle school for bringing a steak knife to school and pulling it out during lunch.... oh yeah and he also brought in 1/2 a NY strip, mashed potatoes and a fork... The school board said, "oh well, the parents and the student should have known better, Zero tolerance means no exceptions."
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
Yes sir!!!! You have proved my point!!!!! There is no individual thought in the educational system...or any governmental system. Do what the man says, or else you will suffer.
Jason
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tubaman
3 Time BoM
Um, hello, it could be used as a freakin' weapon!! That one I happen to agree with, although the response you have quoted was idiotic to make. If that's what a member of the schoolboard said, that person didn't think before speaking, which is unfortunate.
Maybe the kid wasn't going to use it for anything more than eating his steak, but what if someone took that from him and used it to hurt another student? Of course, there would have been a public outcry and the teachers and administrators would have been vilified by the public for not doing their job to ensure the safety of the children. We are charged with the safety of the children when they walk through our doors and I will ALWAYS ere on the side of caution when dealing with the safety of kids. I would expect nothing less of the school that my kids go to as I want them as safe as possible. The original case of this thread was stupid because there is nothing remotely dangerous about an empty shotgun shell. But a knife is a weapon and the school must act to ensure the safety of it's students, not just from students that go off the deep end in a Columbine like way, but from kids flying off the handle and doing something stupid because they were "disrespected" by somebody. It's easy to have twenty twenty hindsight, but not so easy when you are dealing with this sort of thing on the spot.
You're right Jason, you and I will agree to disagree. Student safety is of primary importance. Nobody EVER thinks some disastrous event can happen in their school, but for some it did. I want to at least know that I did everything I could to ensure their safety. It's too bad your wife seems to work in a district where teachers don't seem to care or administrators fail to inspire quality teaching.
I guess I'm blessed to work in a district where we pride ourselves in finding ways to reach ALL children. I also know many teachers in other districts that work very hard to try their best to educate our country's children. It's certainly not a perfect system, but to say that the majority of our country's teachers are pinheads who teach to a specific model and don't account for varied learning styles is just too broad a statement.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
Fight your fight, and I will fight my fight. At the end of the day, one of us will win. Are you willing to die for yours?
Jason
Jason
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Many good points made on both sides of the argument. I'm not sure that either of these cases required as severe disciplinary action (expulsion for a steak knife and suspension for a shell casing) as was taken. I do however agree that both of the students should have had the object removed from their possession. I just think the punishment should fit the crime, and since neither of these children were intentionally trying to make school an unsafe environment, I don't believe either should have been punished for their actions.
However, no, I am not willing to die in support of that opinion.
However, no, I am not willing to die in support of that opinion.
tubaman
3 Time BoM
Maybe you could explain this statement because I am at a loss to see your point.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
I would give my life to protect my ideology, would others to the same?
And yes I'm talking about more than a steak knife.
Jason
tubaman
3 Time BoM
Well Jason, I would like to think that there are some things that I hold dear that I would give my life for, so yes. But you are taking yourself way to seriously. So if a child of yours, I don't know if you have kids or not, were to get suspended over a situation like this, you would fight to the death about this?
Out of respect to Mike, I'm done on this thread because it has really moved away from his original intent. One thing I have learned, there are some people that no matter what, they are always right. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore.
Out of respect to Mike, I'm done on this thread because it has really moved away from his original intent. One thing I have learned, there are some people that no matter what, they are always right. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore.