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Also a true Estate Vintage cigar. One farm, one year, and the blend changes every year based on what that farm gives us. That's why is named La Verite, the Truth.
 
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Brooks, I am smoking Tainos, Especiales and Noellas from May 2003. All great but they have a bit too much cedar on them. I have removed them from the boxes to reduce the cedar contact.
 

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Mmmmm, 2003 Especiales and Noellas, sounds like a treat!

Thanks for the input, Pete! Always coming through helping brothers out on the facts.
 

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Pete, I gotta bust out my old Noellas and Tainos and check them out as they have been out of the boxes and in the cabinet for a long while.
 

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God reading, thanks!

Also for those who have had them how are the Boris now, I have some that I wanted to sit for a while just wanted to see how they were evolving.

Thanks
 
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The only cigar that will be a true guide of vintage in our industry including the Cuban industry is my La Verite project. It's the only cigar you can really put a date behind like a vintage wine. A true vintage cigar.

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Marketing Genius. I see way to much of my money getting caught up in this La Verite "project".
 

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Funny you mention this Pete Ive had 2-3yr old noellas as of late and noticed the same thing about more cedar being on them then originally(almost overwhelming). Maybe time to take them out of the box as well.
 

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The Tainos were where I first noticed a major change in the Tatuaje cigar. Some of the "bang" had smoothed out and the flavor, oh my.
 

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I didn't realize they got their start as far back as '03. I only "discovered" them in 05 sometime...

Learn something new everyday.

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To touch on an above comment. All cigars should be good of the bench and aging is good for them but if a cigar sucks off the bench, there is no amount of age that will help it.

I could debate this subject for years and newer Cuban cigars are the perfect target. Padron cigars will also come up in the conversation. If anyone meets up with me, ask me to explain.

You have to have the best of both worlds like a great wine otherwise you are selling crap.

Rob, NC's are similar to CC's. You are using a box date as a guide for CC's and we do that also for our cigars but that is not a true guide for vintage. They are all a blend. The only cigar that will be a true guide of vintage in our industry including the Cuban industry is my La Verite project. It's the only cigar you can really put a date behind like a vintage wine. A true vintage cigar.

Pete
Id love to hear that, but I doubt I'll be able to meet up with you anytime soon.

I also remember a comment that Dion made about a show in Cuba, and he said the tobacco looks horrible.
 

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Thanks for all the information Pete! :thumbsup:

How could anyone not love this forum....BOTL Rocks! :king:
 

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To touch on an above comment. All cigars should be good of the bench and aging is good for them but if a cigar sucks off the bench, there is no amount of age that will help it.

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Pete, I totally disagree with you on this. Yes, there are some cigars that suck and no amount of aging will help them. However, there are some cigars that do improve with age and become tremendous cigars. There are many examples of this that I could cite, but the one that sticks out in my mind are several boxes of H. Upmann Lonsdales that I bought a long time ago. When I first picked them up and tried them I thought they sucked, that I wasted my money and I was going to sell them off. A friend of mine told me to hang on to them or I would totally regret it. I gave them a year and they got better. Ten years later these cigars were so freakin' good I got a hard on! These were 1997 Lonsdales and I wish I still had some. So your statement doesn't always hold true. Yes, you need to start with quality tobacco, but sometimes that tobacco needs to age before it hits it's stride.
 
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Pete, I totally disagree with you on this. Yes, there are some cigars that suck and no amount of aging will help them. However, there are some cigars that do improve with age and become tremendous cigars. There are many examples of this that I could cite, but the one that sticks out in my mind are several boxes of H. Upmann Lonsdales that I bought a long time ago. When I first picked them up and tried them I thought they sucked, that I wasted my money and I was going to sell them off. A friend of mine told me to hang on to them or I would totally regret it. I gave them a year and they got better. Ten years later these cigars were so freakin' good I got a hard on! These were 1997 Lonsdales and I wish I still had some. So your statement doesn't always hold true. Yes, you need to start with quality tobacco, but sometimes that tobacco needs to age before it hits it's stride.
Tubaman,

I think you missed my point on this. The H Upmann Lonsdales might have sucked to you but the tobacco was probably of good quality which can age out beautifully. They probably just weren't ready to smoke.

My point is, if a cigar that is made with crude tobacco, there is no amount of age that will help it. This is fact. It all starts with the material. Sometimes fresh the blend has not had enough time to morf together and may not be ready to smoke but when the tobacco is good and clean, you can look ahead and say that they will get better with age.

Like the La Verite, the tobacco is clean and when they are first rolled, they are good but not ready to smoke. They need the age for the blend to do it's thing.
 

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Also a true Estate Vintage cigar. One farm, one year, and the blend changes every year based on what that farm gives us. That's why is named La Verite, the Truth.
So Pete, with the limited knowledge I have with wines, would you say that the following is a good analogy?

La Verite changing from year to year would be like a wine made with Syrah, Grenach and Mourvedre grapes. Where the blend could be one year a SGM, the next a GSM, and so on. The letter order showing dominance of the grape in the blend.

Would this be the same for La Verite? The percentage of the different filler leaves will most likely change year-to-year, one being more dominate one year, another possibly the next?
 
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Kockroach,

Yes very similar. Depending on the crop the blend will change. First year 2008 of La Verite is 100% Habano. 2009 edition we will be using Habano, Criollo 98, and Pelo D'oro. Still not sure which one, Habano or Criollo will be the dominate leaf. Pelo D'oro will be a small part of the blend.

Pete

also the blend will be listed in detail on the box every year.
 
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