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I saw this article on Yahoo! News this morning about school closings in Kansas City, MO,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_closing_schools

which reminded me of an article that my wife read last night on the net about firing teachers who do not perform. So I thought that I would see what everybodys thoughts were on whether teachers are paid well for the hours that they put in or under paid, and whether it should be easier to fire tenured teachers that do not meet expectations.

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this particular problem in kc was all about FAILED school boards. they have continued to bring in new superintendents, over 20, to fix problems they created, and when they never liked the solutions they fired the super.
obviously if you can get by without the majority of the buildings because of lack of students, why would you keep them open when you are going broke? the school system is also bloated with friends and relatives of school board members as employees. it needs to be dismantled and rebuilt.
 
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Being married to a teacher I think if education was based on individual performance and not union bargaining agreements; crappy teachers would get the oust and successful teachers would get the appropriate amount of money. Of course I don't know how that'd REALLY work. The measurement of success or performance would be hard. What if the teacher had some real dumbass kids that were lazy and never handed work in? I do not feel it's fair to tie test scores to salary. I do think it'd be fair to have performance evaluations like many jobs have by the supervisor (principal). With a requirement of a principal to be a teacher in the past not just someone with a degree.

My wife works her ass off as a 8th grade science teacher, track and field coach, cross country coach, and head of the middle school science department. She has a bachelors and masters degree from Penn State, and when I graduate from a 2 year associates degree program to be a cardiovascular technician in a catherization lab I'll probably make just as much as she does. Cross country is a fall sports season and practice begins before school does. So do you think she is fairly paid, or am I unfairly paid? I know one thing I couldn't be a teacher. Many of the parents are lazy assholes that expect the teachers to babysit and raise their kids for them. It's ridiculous what happens in public schools. The outraged parents in any school district should be outraged at other parents first if you ask me. Of course there are some exceptions to that.

It's hard to make sense of a situation as convoluted as the public education system. Ever since the Department of Education reared its head things got complicated. Then countless other laws either at the state or federal level made things even more complicated. All I do know is my wife wants to get out of teaching after doing it for 4 years now. She'd like to migrate more towards education policy (actually using her masters degree) because dealing with lazy kids and lazy parents is taxing and will wear almost anyone down.
 

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Being married to a teacher I think if education was based on individual performance and not union bargaining agreements; crappy teachers would get the oust and successful teachers would get the appropriate amount of money. Of course I don't know how that'd REALLY work. The measurement of success or performance would be hard. What if the teacher had some real dumbass kids that were lazy and never handed work in? I do not feel it's fair to tie test scores to salary. I do think it'd be fair to have performance evaluations like many jobs have by the supervisor (principal). With a requirement of a principal to be a teacher in the past not just someone with a degree.

My wife works her ass off as a 8th grade science teacher, track and field coach, cross country coach, and head of the middle school science department. She has a bachelors and masters degree from Penn State, and when I graduate from a 2 year associates degree program to be a cardiovascular technician in a catherization lab I'll probably make just as much as she does. Cross country is a fall sports season and practice begins before school does. So do you think she is fairly paid, or am I unfairly paid? I know one thing I couldn't be a teacher. Many of the parents are lazy assholes that expect the teachers to babysit and raise their kids for them. It's ridiculous what happens in public schools. The outraged parents in any school district should be outraged at other parents first if you ask me. Of course there are some exceptions to that.

It's hard to make sense of a situation as convoluted as the public education system. Ever since the Department of Education reared its head things got complicated. Then countless other laws either at the state or federal level made things even more complicated. All I do know is my wife wants to get out of teaching after doing it for 4 years now. She'd like to migrate more towards education policy (actually using her masters degree) because dealing with lazy kids and lazy parents is taxing and will wear almost anyone down.
+1 to that. I am also married to a teacher. The best teachers are underpaid IMHO. It's not an easy job.
 
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Being married to a teacher I think if education was based on individual performance and not union bargaining agreements; crappy teachers would get the oust and successful teachers would get the appropriate amount of money. Of course I don't know how that'd REALLY work. The measurement of success or performance would be hard. What if the teacher had some real dumbass kids that were lazy and never handed work in? I do not feel it's fair to tie test scores to salary. I do think it'd be fair to have performance evaluations like many jobs have by the supervisor (principal). With a requirement of a principal to be a teacher in the past not just someone with a degree.

My wife works her ass off as a 8th grade science teacher, track and field coach, cross country coach, and head of the middle school science department. She has a bachelors and masters degree from Penn State, and when I graduate from a 2 year associates degree program to be a cardiovascular technician in a catherization lab I'll probably make just as much as she does. Cross country is a fall sports season and practice begins before school does. So do you think she is fairly paid, or am I unfairly paid? I know one thing I couldn't be a teacher. Many of the parents are lazy assholes that expect the teachers to babysit and raise their kids for them. It's ridiculous what happens in public schools. The outraged parents in any school district should be outraged at other parents first if you ask me. Of course there are some exceptions to that.

It's hard to make sense of a situation as convoluted as the public education system. Ever since the Department of Education reared its head things got complicated. Then countless other laws either at the state or federal level made things even more complicated. All I do know is my wife wants to get out of teaching after doing it for 4 years now. She'd like to migrate more towards education policy (actually using her masters degree) because dealing with lazy kids and lazy parents is taxing and will wear almost anyone down.
I feel you and your wife's pain. I was raised by a mother who was a teacher and as of recently my mother has been teaching for over 30 years. I am also married to a teacher who has her BS in Education and a Masters in Reading. My wife is worn out and wanting to pursue another career or change to just doing Reading (using her Masters) just after 4 years of teaching.

:thumbsup: My hat is off to all of the teachers and spouses of teachers for all of the great work they do in what I feel is an underpaid and highly criticized profession.
 

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+1 to that. I am also married to a teacher. The best teachers are underpaid IMHO. It's not an easy job.

+2 here. My GF is a teacher. Here in TX, they do not have unions, their is no tenure, perse. I agree low performing teachers need to be let go. Raise the standards and raise the pay for performance.
 

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Agree with Cole and feel that performance based pay should be the norm for all professions.
 

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I've given thought to getting my teaching certificate and teaching Science. Still considering it even. Pay is better than what I make now and at least I'd be doing something with my degree in Biology. On the whole I do feel teachers are underpaid for what they have to deal with. But if you become a teacher I don't think you do it for the pay (not saying they shouldn't be paid well), you do it because you're passionate about it. I'm a firm believer that if you do what you love, success (both professionally and financially) will follow. Just my $0.02.

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My father was also a science teacher when he was younger then he got his masters degree in school psychology. Finished out 30 years a while ago with the school district. So I grew up with it and then got married to someone doing it.
 
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