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Could also explain why the ones I have are slightly different in size. There was a robusto version also. These have been around longer then the current ones drew is selling.
I'm curious as to what you have and/or where you got it? Obviously don't say where or sources in this thread, but people have been getting farm rolled Robaina's for some time... directly from the farm and BOTLs would just share the share. I don't know of any other vendor that has promoted the sale of Robaina farm rolled cigars, but I'm no expert by any stretch of the word! LOL
 

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I'd be interested in grabbing some of the Mercer Pinar Del Rio Sublimes regardless of their origin.

They look spectacular...Nicest wrapper I have seen except for a T52, plus they have reviewed well.

In my humble opinion, I don't think they are Robaina farmies, but based on the look and the reviews, I'd like to sample some.
 
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I would be interested in hearing from Drew that these cigars do in fact come from tobacco grown at and are rolled at the Robaina farm in Cuba. I don't think we've actually heard that, although that statement has been made in cigar forums. Is it Drew saying that or is it just the bloggers? I note that the cigars are not actually marketed as such on Drew's website. Here's what the website states:

"Mercer Cigars is delighted to present : Mercer PdR cigars, the greatest custom-rolled cigars, from the most prominent cigar family in Cuba. These cigars are rolled in Pinar del Rio and have 6 months of age before they are made available for sale. They are characterized by dark, oily wrappers, smooth medium-full strength, consistent burn and a closed foot(uncut foot)."

Perhaps people are reading more into this statement than it actually says. . . In fact, it doesn't even say that the cigars are made with Cuban tobacco.
 
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I would be interested in hearing from Drew that these cigars do in fact come from tobacco grown at and are rolled at the Robaina farm in Cuba. I don't think we've actually heard that, although that statement has been made in cigar forums. Is it Drew saying that or is it just the bloggers? I note that the cigars are not actually marketed as such on Drew's website. Here's what the website states:

"Mercer Cigars is delighted to present : Mercer PdR cigars, the greatest custom-rolled cigars, from the most prominent cigar family in Cuba. These cigars are rolled in Pinar del Rio and have 6 months of age before they are made available for sale. They are characterized by dark, oily wrappers, smooth medium-full strength, consistent burn and a closed foot(uncut foot)."

Perhaps people are reading more into this statement than it actually says. . . In fact, it doesn't even say that the cigars are made with Cuban tobacco.
Apparently some aren't aware that the Pinar Del Rio region is an area in Western Cuba where tobacco is grown.

To say that a cigar is "rolled in PDR" and "from the most prominent cigar family in Cuba" is pretty much implying that these are Cuban farmies.

Unless by this we are supposed to assume that tobacco was flown into Cuba from another country, rolled by a famous tobacco family, and exported to the US so they can be 'legally sold'?

Um.....
 

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U-Boat has a very valid point. If marketing makes something sound authentic and good enough, people will just assume and buy. Not saying at all this is what Mercer is doing, but U-Boat definitely has a point.
 
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I am aware of where Pinar del Rio is. I'm just saying the marketing message is open to quite a bit of interpretation. I know what it implies. But that's not what it actually says.
 

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To clarify, drew has indeed claimed these are made by Robaina.
Correct...Several times, in fact. But in Cuba? With Cuban tobacco? That is still unclear.

Look...Retail and brand marketing is my background...I get the implications that are created by the cleverly worded description of these cigars.

What I am carefully, respectfully trying to figure out here is what EXACTLY these cigars are. Don't make your customer read between the lines, simply state what the product is.

And then we get back to the fact that Cuban cigars do NOT have white ashes, so based on that, are these Cuban?

Shouldn't be such a mystery to solve!
 

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Correct...Several times, in fact. But in Cuba? With Cuban tobacco? That is still unclear.

Look...Retail and brand marketing is my background...I get the implications that are created by the cleverly worded description of these cigars.

What I am carefully, respectfully trying to figure out here is what EXACTLY these cigars are. Don't make your customer read between the lines, simply state what the product is.

And then we get back to the fact that Cuban cigars do NOT have white ashes, so based on that, are these Cuban?

Shouldn't be such a mystery to solve!
I wonder if part of this intentionality is for the benefit of US customers. I can think of at least one other custom-rolled guy who is equally quiet on specifics, and I know that at least in part this is to protect himself and keep the business going. If they were to have an issue with US customs, they could plausibly say "Look at the website ... these are custom-rolled Mexican cigars, and are thus perfectly legal to import into the US." Who's to say that's not the case?

To me personally, it doesn't matter. If I like the cigar, I don't care where it's from. I'm not biased against Mexico or for Cuba, or anywhere else. I've had some crap CCs and plenty of amazing NCs, and vice-versa.
 
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If Mercer were to have an issue with US Customs, they could plausibly say "Look at the website ... these are custom-rolled Mexican cigars, and are thus perfectly legal to import into the US." Who's to say that's not the case?
Yeah, but if they're rolled in Pinar del Rio, they're subject to the embargo, regardless of where the tobacco is from.
 

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Yeah, but if they're rolled in Pinar del Rio, they're subject to the embargo, regardless of where the tobacco is from.
Just because they are rolled by a specific person does not mean they are rolled in a specific country ... maybe he makes trips to Mexico to roll, who knows.
 

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Wow.....Amazing how the snowball effect always occurs in these threads!!

Like I said originally, I am not doubting anyone or anything here...Just wondering why this is so.

I agree that if a great cigar is from Cuba, Kansas, New Guinea, or Downtown Los Angeles; if it's a great cigar, then it's a great cigar. Period.

I have been smoking mostly Cubans for the past 21 years, and can count on one hand the number of times I have seen anything but a light to dark grey ash. I am no expert, but I am just wondering what may be causing what seems to be an anomaly.

Maybe Hiroshi is growing leaves in this blend with different methods? Maybe he is using some experimental fermentation process? I have no idea, but it's intriguing to me to find out why the ash on these are so different, that's all.
Pg 6 MRN book,
Ash:
"The Black/Grey/White color of a cigar ash has been a hot topic of many authorities on cigars. Whatever I have read or whatever explanations are offered for the different colors, I notice there is one thing in common: the writer offers no proof of what he says.
I might have a real explanation which you can test for yourself.
Try this. Thorch the black/Grey ashes. They become white. The black Grey ashes are due to incomplete combustion. The black particles might be partially burnt organic molecules, because they are too large to be combustible.
A white ash means near complete combustion. A white ash means the cigar burns better. This might be the result of the breaking down of complex molecules, by the fermentation process, or the breaking down of tannin long chained polymers with age.
A whiter ash offers a plausible explanation as to why cigars get stronger in taste in the first few years. Substances too complicated to burn remain in the ash as black particles. With time, these substances become combustible and the cigar becomes stronger. This happens most commonly with cigars which have a bitter or harsh green taste when new.
Please note that a cigar with a white ash may only be skin deep. The wrapper ash may be white but whats inside is still grey. Look vertically at the foot of the cigar and you will see clearly.
The ash of a cigar nearly always begins to turn white by 5 to 6 years of age. By 30 years old the ash of most cigars has become snow white.
It is intriguing that some young cigars have a white ash. A young cigar with a white ash nearly always taste smooth.
The meaning of a white ash means better complete combustion. It is in no way related to the long term aging process, in which complex mysterious chemical reactions take place and are practically not understood.
A cigar in a box in which others have a white ash but which has a grey ash in particular could mean two things:
The humidity of that particular cigar when smoked may not be optimal, either too dry or too moist, which hinders proper combustion.
The smoking technique might not be the best. Drawing too quickly or too frequently also results in undesirable combustion of tobacco."
Just a thought:
Maybe he used a older aged wrapper? If not aged wrapper then MRN simply states the wrapper although young is just combusting much better then the average cigar of the same time frame.
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Yeah, srduggins basically said that in the first page but it seemed to be overlooked.
 

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I wonder if part of this intentionality is for the benefit of US customers. I can think of at least one other custom-rolled guy who is equally quiet on specifics, and I know that at least in part this is to protect himself and keep the business going. If they were to have an issue with US customs, they could plausibly say "Look at the website ... these are custom-rolled Mexican cigars, and are thus perfectly legal to import into the US." Who's to say that's not the case?

To me personally, it doesn't matter. If I like the cigar, I don't care where it's from. I'm not biased against Mexico or for Cuba, or anywhere else. I've had some crap CCs and plenty of amazing NCs, and vice-versa.
These cigars are already in the US....No issues with US customs.
 

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Yeah, srduggins basically said that in the first page but it seemed to be overlooked.
Na not really he is stating combustion along with soil additives, cultivation techniques etc. I was more or less suggesting the breaking down of organic chemicals due to the aging of tobacco over time, thus the white ash. But yes I did read the whole thread. :disappoin
 
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Actually, I was stating combustion as a function of soil nutrients. I totally overlooked the breaking down of organic substances as they age (other than in the soil, lol). But then, why would anyone take my word for it (or anything else) whereas the MRN quote carries a lot of weight.

Anyway, Cliff, thanks for noticing, I appreciate the feedback. I should be able to try these myself in a few more days.
 

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The Mrn quote was used to suggest my point of aged tobacco(wrapper leaf) possibly being used not to overlook another brothers thoughtful input........
 

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So now the theory is that there is some stockpile somewhere of 5-6 year old cuban leaf in cuba that is available to be used in this sideline project?
 
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