Perdomo patriarchs

[CBC]

Well why the Hostility? K the cigar may be dyed but that does not mean that it is "flavored" in any way? If you don't like it fine don't buy it! I like RP Edge, i know it's dyed but hey i still enjoy it. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinoin but accusing respected manufactures of "misleading" consumers by adding "flavor"

The hint on flavoring is a sweet, raisiny aroma. I am one of many who allege that RP and Perdomo dye certain cigars. This arouses suspicion regarding what they are actually dyed with. If either dying/flavoring is occuring, then u r smoking some sort of concoction more like the same we've seen w/cigarettes and a clear departure from traditional manufacturing. Indeed, the market is also being deceived regarding appearance and flavor characteristics. In addition, u don't know what u'r actually ingesting-either.
You make it sound like, for some unknown reason, "respected" manufacturers
should be free to color/flavor just because they appear respectable. Well, there's nothing much to respect when u'r deceiving people-is there?

 

[njstone]

I'm still waiting for any evidence at all of artificial flavoring.

For the 5th time, the "raisiny aroma" comes from the tobacco itself, either from the type of leaf or the type of fermentation used. It's not added artificially.

 

[CBC]

I'm still waiting for any evidence at all of artificial flavoring.

For the 5th time, the "raisiny aroma" comes from the tobacco itself, either from the type of leaf or the type of fermentation used. It's not added artificially.

I don't have the money to have these cigars tested. Ok? The manufacturers, however, are vulnerable to somebody w/money who might. Then, and only then, would we have actual proof. Until then, use your senses to avoid "poser sticks".

The raisin aroma -IS- a characteristic that all suspects share. I have yet to find one cigar that appears dyed -and- passes the dye test w/out also smelling of raisins. My take is that if u'r going to dye the cigar, then it's also an opportunity to flavor it as well. Any number of concotions come to mind: mineral oil and:
sugar cane syrup, raisin/prune concentrate...sweeter smoke and an oily appearance, ehh?

Ka Peeeeeeeeeesh?

 

[Dave]

Something that I've tried....may not work for everybody,....but when I come across a cigar that I don't like - for whatever reason - I don't smoke them any more.






I've found Nick to be a real stand-up guy and even if he 'dyes' some maduro wrappers, I'm confident it is with natural, tobacco 'substances'. If not, I suppose I'm ok, too. Two of my favorite NC cigars are Perdomos - ESV 91 Maduro and ..... Patriarch Corojo Lonsdale. I don't think either is 'doctored'; but if they were, you know what....I'd still smoke the hell out of them.

 

[e-man67]

If it tastes good...smoke it.

 

[Craig Mac]

If it tastes good...smoke it.

yup... and I so wish I could have the last 5 minutes of my life back I spent reading this thread.....

 

[r3db4r0n]

Hello, bruthus.
Just picked up new perdomo patriarch's. The cigar looked "too good to be true" by appearance, and had that tell-tale smell of raisins. What i'm talking about here is cigar dying or painting and likely flavoring.

Sure enough, the surface of the wrapper was sticky and upon further testing, coloring rubbed off to reveal a more brown wrapper than black. I cut the foot off for the second test, and sure enough, the foot is shades blacker than the filler/binder behind it. Conclusion: Perdomo dyes cigars. The question is: With what? Probably flavorings and colors of what origin it's impossible to know.

Having taken apart many cigars looking suspect, i've discovered and will reveal here what i've found:
1)rocky patel - unreal! The old worlds are so rediculous. The wrapper is jet black, but underneath, brown. Dyed foot, also. Dye came off on fingers.
2)alec bradley - ditto
3)oliva - dyed
4)nick perdomo - dyed the patriarchs. I won't be buying any more of his line. I will not support posers.
5)pinar del rio - yes, the new release.
6)cao - brazilia. What a load of crap. I took this one apart and found major coloring/flavoring on the wrapper.

Conclusion: Flavorings mask inferior, flawed or cheaper tobacco.
Presentation is so important that rather than hold to tradition, and the fantastic variations nature alone provides, these deceivers decided to sell -us- out for their profit. Do we know what's in any of this? No! And that's the way they want it.

P.s.: Drew was the only responder to email request reainting and he stated they use only natural touchups, ie:from tobacco stain or oils that occur while working with leaf.

I Wonder what Abe might say if he saw this. What proof do you have (your assumptions aside) that PDR dyes their cigars? I mean concrete proof, as in either Abe Flores personally told you this or said this in a press release?

See reply below. I must add that I don't know about the oil, except to say that anything that glistens a little too much is probably oil. I've yet to see a real cigar that looks "oily". Ask any old-schoolers and u'll probably find out that cigars never looked like they do nowadays. The market and competition is so fierce that they're creating "poser sticks" for commercial appeal.

Don't support it!

Don't fall for it!

Whether or not a cigar glistens really has nothing to do with whether or not it is dyed (take La Flor Dominicana, A.F Anejo, Padron Anniversary Maduros, Cabiguran Guapo, liga privada as examples). As for some of your other arguments; Different tobaccos tend to give off different fragrances, quite a few emit aromas of raisins or other fruits, thats what tobacco smells like. If you wet ANY well oiled cigar sufficiently, it will more than likely leave a residue when wiped on something.

 

[CBC]

I Wonder what Abe might say if he saw this. What proof do you have (your assumptions aside) that PDR dyes their cigars? I mean concrete proof, as in either Abe Flores personally told you this or said this in a press release?

Hold on now, ChaChi! If u want to include Abe, then do so and allow him to speak for himself. I have been told by more that one retailers that some mfrs. use mineral oil to make their cigars appear oily. It was Bryan Glynn of cigarobsession.com that stated in his recent review of the 2010 release that he perceived that the cigar had been dyed. Ring up Abe and show him this review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FI_ppNHV0

He did the review and just like him, it's an allegation. Ask Abe if u want concrete proof, or, spend the hundreds of dollars to get the cigar analyzed
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The amount a wrapper glistens because of its oily sheen means nothing to your argument. A numbef of La Flor Dominicana, Anejo, Padron Anniversary Maduros, Cabiguran Guapo etc. all have very oiled sheen to them, but none of those are dyed cigars.

Well, what makes a cigar that has been dried, fermented, re-dried, re-fermented, re-dried glisten? I don't know. I don't make cigars. It all looks suspicious to me. Why not as the good people how it is that their cigars glisten, and others within their own line don't.

 

[RyJ Smoker]

yup... and I so wish I could have the last 5 minutes of my life back I spent reading this thread.....

x2....stupid.


Jeffrey L.

 

[CBC]

x2....stupid.


Jeffrey L.

I've informed you of information you either did not know about but probably didn't know that much about.

I've done my job!

 

[r3db4r0n]

Well, what makes a cigar that has been dried, fermented, re-dried, re-fermented, re-dried glisten? I don't know. I don't make cigars. It all looks suspicious to me. Why not as the good people how it is that their cigars glisten, and others within their own line don't.

You do realize that only water is dried from the cigars during the curing process, the sugars and oils remain fixed in the leaf. The leaf it self will continue to darken the longer it is fermented.