Mr. Drew any hints as to what you might be handing out art wise? My boss got a pair of Nosotros kicks last year that were the coolest thing I had seen in a long time when it comes to cigar art. I envy those shoes...haha
IPCPR 2011 New Cigars
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Brother, please call me JD. And thrilled that your boss got the cool Nosotros sneakers. The Nosotros kicks really were the coolest of 2010. Well, all I can say about this year's show is that it should put the last to shame. Please stop by the booth and say hello.
Best,
JD
Brother, please call me JD. And thrilled that your boss got the cool Nosotros sneakers. The Nosotros kicks really were the coolest of 2010. Well, all I can say about this year's show is that it should put the last to shame. Please stop by the booth and say hello.
Best,
JD
Well JD, I did not make the cut for this years travel team. haha. Maybe next year. Well I look forward to seeing what the guys bring back from the show. Thanks for the quality smokes. Keep up the good work.
Nate
Nate
thegoldenmackid
Why Can't I be a Lancero?
171 current "new" offerings at IPCPR. it's gonna be a quiet show.
and those are just the ones I know about, and I'm not even in Vegas yet.
and those are just the ones I know about, and I'm not even in Vegas yet.
i kind of feel the opposite way, if more retailers can get unique releases for them it makes going to a b&m more interesting, you may not be able to get every single release but does everyone really need to try everything. i feel like going to a b&m is kind of boring if i already know about or can easily order online all of the cigars they have there
I definitely have opinions on the plethora of new cigar releases and mostly it is negative. This is a personal opinion/rant - so I am speaking as Saka only.
I believe that most companies today release far too many brands because they are lazy.
It is a lets throw shit out there and see what sticks type of approach. Plus it is easy for them to get that initial sale as many retailers buy new stuff in hopes of catching something before it becomes hot.
I do not believe new cigar blends can be created on a whim that have long term viability. There are too many factors - raw material availability, how does a cigar taste after 8 weeks, 6 months, a year plus? Is it something genuinely different than an other product that you currently offer consumers? On and on...
Great blends withstand the test of time imo, while 98% of what is released into the marketplace is done for the quick sale and with the hope that people will like it. It is such a haphazard approach imo that it is the only excuse is laziness.
The prob though is us consumers always love to try new things, so we encourage this approach.
I do however understand Mikejh's point regarding keeping things unique and fresh at the B&M level, all the new brands do provide them a way to better complete with the big houses. But how many new brands does a B&M need to take on to achieve this each year? That is an answer I will leave to the retailers to supply, they know their business better than I...
However, I do feel as though most manufacturers release far too many new products knowing that most will have a shelf life of 18 months at best.
I definitely subscribe to the slow and low approach to cigar releases.
BR,
STS
I believe that most companies today release far too many brands because they are lazy.
It is a lets throw shit out there and see what sticks type of approach. Plus it is easy for them to get that initial sale as many retailers buy new stuff in hopes of catching something before it becomes hot.
I do not believe new cigar blends can be created on a whim that have long term viability. There are too many factors - raw material availability, how does a cigar taste after 8 weeks, 6 months, a year plus? Is it something genuinely different than an other product that you currently offer consumers? On and on...
Great blends withstand the test of time imo, while 98% of what is released into the marketplace is done for the quick sale and with the hope that people will like it. It is such a haphazard approach imo that it is the only excuse is laziness.
The prob though is us consumers always love to try new things, so we encourage this approach.
I do however understand Mikejh's point regarding keeping things unique and fresh at the B&M level, all the new brands do provide them a way to better complete with the big houses. But how many new brands does a B&M need to take on to achieve this each year? That is an answer I will leave to the retailers to supply, they know their business better than I...
However, I do feel as though most manufacturers release far too many new products knowing that most will have a shelf life of 18 months at best.
I definitely subscribe to the slow and low approach to cigar releases.
BR,
STS
I have found that the last couple years I have been sticking to just trying the line extensions of existing cigars I like or just trying the new releases from manufacturer's whose product I really enjoy.
I do have a question for you, Do you think we are headed towards the same thing as the great cigar boom of the 90's? I hope not but I can't also help but wonder with all of the new releases coming out is their going to be enough premium tobacco to support these new brands?
thegoldenmackid
Why Can't I be a Lancero?
:halfgrinw
Saka can handle this way better than I, but a big difference between boom and now is that total cigars sales and increase in new smokers aren't booming.
BrooksW
BoM June '09
And the fact that for the most part, every new release is easily smokable...there were some (most?) sticks at the height of the boom that could barely be called "cigars" :hysterica
~brooks
thegoldenmackid
Why Can't I be a Lancero?
...... "And the fact that for the most part, every new release is easily smokable...there were some (most?) sticks at the height of the boom that could barely be called "cigars"
~brooks" ......
I totally agree with my man Brooks right there! While I too agree that there has been an incredible amount of new cigars released each year, there is the other side to it which speaks a lot about the creativity in the industry. Guys who make cigars are passionate about what they do, and want to create new blends, boxes, etc.
Overall, manufacturing premium cigars is a hard job, cash intensive, sometimes nerve-racking, and personally labor intensive. As Saka said, planning blends to be sustainable, consistent, and reliable is a seriously difficult, long term comittment. Companies like Padron and Fuente teach us this, and re-teach it. Allowing brands time to develop before rushing in with new stuff is a committed approach.
Looking forward to a great IPCPR show, and sampling many of the blends from everybody.
Best,
JDrew
~brooks" ......
I totally agree with my man Brooks right there! While I too agree that there has been an incredible amount of new cigars released each year, there is the other side to it which speaks a lot about the creativity in the industry. Guys who make cigars are passionate about what they do, and want to create new blends, boxes, etc.
Overall, manufacturing premium cigars is a hard job, cash intensive, sometimes nerve-racking, and personally labor intensive. As Saka said, planning blends to be sustainable, consistent, and reliable is a seriously difficult, long term comittment. Companies like Padron and Fuente teach us this, and re-teach it. Allowing brands time to develop before rushing in with new stuff is a committed approach.
Looking forward to a great IPCPR show, and sampling many of the blends from everybody.
Best,
JDrew
I think a lot of solid and valid points are being made. Personally I dig what Dion does with Illusione. He has a few solid core lines, and releases a special blended cigar in a short run. This to me is not over extending yourself. If you have quality core lines then there is no need to keep adding more "core lines" to your arsenal. Plus people are more hyped to get a hold of your once a year short run cigar. IMO if Dion never put out another blend, I would still smoke his cigars for years and years to come.
I also work at a cigar shop though, and I can see your point. People come to our store to see what new things we have in. When we got Tatuaje Monster series, EP Carillo 2010 EL, and stuff people flooded the gates to get their hands on them. I guess the real question is, at what point do you draw the line. I mean some guys have what seems like 40 blends and they sell a great deal to both online and B&M.
I also work at a cigar shop though, and I can see your point. People come to our store to see what new things we have in. When we got Tatuaje Monster series, EP Carillo 2010 EL, and stuff people flooded the gates to get their hands on them. I guess the real question is, at what point do you draw the line. I mean some guys have what seems like 40 blends and they sell a great deal to both online and B&M.
njstone
BoM January 2010
I"m looking forward to getting quite a few 5-packs after seeing all the IPCPR info, lol. But I think the stick I'm looking forward to the most is still the Jaime LE. That sounds like it has a lot of potential! Runners-up would be the new Tat releases and the Illusione MK Ultra, and of course the Undercrown.