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blessednxs65

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I hope this guy has the wherewithal to stand up to these folks. I know that the owner of the B&M where I live has had to fight the owners of the Men's Clothing store next door for the past few years about "clothes smelling like smoke".

Good Luck!


ST. CHARLES, ILLINOIS – The owners of a cigar shop in downtown St. Charles and their landlord are locked in a court fight over whether the store can be evicted because the puffs of tobacco smoke generated at the store has become a nuisance to other tenants in the same shopping center.

This week, lawyers for Gintaras, the parent corporation for the Bull & Bear cigar shop, and Bull & Bear’s landlord, ShoDeen, filed arguments in Kane County Circuit Court in the lease dispute matter.

Gintaras has asked a judge to immediately rule that it has the right, under its lease, to allow patrons to smoke in a lounge in the store in the Fox Island Square shopping center, 1 W. Illinois St., St. Charles.

The motion is scheduled to be argued before a Kane County judge in Geneva on Aug. 31. The judge will then rule on whether the matter should be resolved at that time or go to trial later.

A ruling in Gintaras’ favor would quickly end a legal tiff that began in February. At that time, Geneva-based ShoDeen sent a notice to the owners of the Bull & Bear that other tenants had complained about cigar smoke emanating from their store, and thus, the cigar shop had violated its lease.

ShoDeen pointed to language in the lease that forbids the cigar shop from allowing “any objectionable or unpleasant odors to emanate from its premises” or taking any action that the landlord might deem to be a nuisance or disturb other tenants.

When Gintaras didn’t move to correct the issues at ShoDeen’s direction, ShoDeen notified Bull & Bear’s owners in March that they were being evicted.

Gintaras, however, filed suit against ShoDeen, arguing that ShoDeen’s eviction notice had violated the lease. Gintaras said the lease expressly permits patrons to smoke cigars in the store, and, therefore, tobacco smoke, such as is generated from cigars or pipe tobacco, cannot be considered a nuisance.

According to court documents, before the matter found its way into court, the two sides had discussed the smoking issue for a year. ShoDeen representatives and at least two tenants of the building assert that smoke from the Bull & Bear routinely fills hallways and infiltrates offices on an upper floor.

According to a brief filed this week, ShoDeen initiated the action after one of its tenants complained. The tenant had been looking at renting more space within the building owned by ShoDeen, but had refused to sign any lease until the “smoke issue” is “corrected.”

Tenants say the smoke can become so dense in upper story offices that the clothing of workers in the other offices can begin to smell like tobacco smoke.

Gintaras, however, argues in the court documents that the shop has installed several smoke filters and that the problem is not as bad as the tenants and ShoDeen have indicated. They argue that if there are issues with smoke leaking into other areas of the building, it is ShoDeen’s job to seal any leaks.

They further argue that, since cigars have been smoked in their lounge since 1997, that ShoDeen has never before expressed any objections to the smoke.

“This course of performance demonstrates that the parties have always intended that smoke is not an objectionable odor or other nuisance under the lease,” wrote Gintaras’ lawyer in a July 26 brief.
 

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Drapers in D.C. was fighting a similar issue. Pretty sure they are still barred from allowing smoking inside...:hammersma
 

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I hate seeing stuff like this. I actually used to work at this shop before I worked for the Burning Leaf. The air filtration systems in this store work great and is almost overkill for the space. Not only do they run 2 industrial air purifiers, they also have an exhaust system and 2 ozone generators they run every night that completely clears the air in the store. What also baffles me is that this store has been there for a very long time and all of the sudden this has become an issue? During my time there they also brought in an inspector to check for any spots where smoke could possibly escape the store and go to other parts of the strip mall and had those fixed. I hope they win this court case because I would hate to see this store disappear (even though I didnt leave there on the best terms, I still don't want to see this store fail). Believe me, the owner of this store isn't going to just lie down and play nice, she is going to fight tooth and nail to keep this store alive.
 

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Drapers in D.C. was fighting a similar issue. Pretty sure they are still barred from allowing smoking inside...:hammersma
Yes, and they are moving because of it. They've negotiated with the landlord to be able to smoke at the last First Friday next week, then they'll be in a new space where smoking is allowed.
 
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The Charlies B&M in Charlotte at Plantation market was not going to be allowed to have it's lease renewed if it allowed smoking in the B&M lounge in spite of having more than adequate filtering in place.

Sad, good thing is his business seems to be doing ok so far but I sure wish could go there and light up. Only 5 minutes from the house.
 

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This is exactly why I wrote my last blog post on BOTL about times changing. And people being stupid. And how irritated I am at the fact that half the nitwits who complain about MY smoke need to mind their own businesses.

If this store has a history of allowing patrons without provocation to smoke, I see no problem other than oversensitive :rifleaim::bangbang: asshat tenants :tazerblaswho need to just deal. And a company that yes, should fill and seal any leaks possible. :fencing:

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I've had a B&M shop for about 9 months now. 2 months after I opened, a customer of a neighboring business starts giving me a hard time. He calls the cops 5 times when I leave my front door open. I'm in a strip center. He becomes such a jackass, I have to get a restraining order against him. He then tries to get the smoking ordinance changed in my small community. The city council almost laughs at him because he just digs himself into a large hole with his rhetoric. I then got a free article in the local paper about it. Nothing like Free Press!!!

Like Ron White said, " You can't fix stupid".
 

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I've had a B&M shop for about 9 months now. 2 months after I opened, a customer of a neighboring business starts giving me a hard time. He calls the cops 5 times when I leave my front door open. I'm in a strip center. He becomes such a jackass, I have to get a restraining order against him. He then tries to get the smoking ordinance changed in my small community. The city council almost laughs at him because he just digs himself into a large hole with his rhetoric. I then got a free article in the local paper about it. Nothing like Free Press!!!

Like Ron White said, " You can't fix stupid".
Keep fighting the good fight Bro! I hate when people actually enter the B&M that I frequent wanting to "just look" or use the restroom and complain about the smoke! There is the door JACKA$$, we did not make you come in here or stay in here! Ok, sorry about the rant but that just gets under my skin....http://www.botl.org/community/forums/images/smilies/classic/cbig.gif
 
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