Arizona Shootings
- Thread starter bdc30
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This was a senseless tragedy in my great state of Arizona. They should have had more security. She held one of these before and a gun developed at it. My prayers go out to the families involved. It had nothing to do with political parties just a wingnut with a gun.
Do you have any idea what a full scale investigation would cost for every gun purchase? There already is a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) background check prior to a gun being sold in a gun shop. The cost of additional investigation would have to be borne by the manufacturers and sellers, if not you by your taxes. That increased cost would put firearms out of reach for the average citizen. It would also bankrupt an entire industry and put a lot of people out of work not to mention denying the average person of their Second Amendment rights.
There are no 'loopholes' for illegal firearms purchase. There are illegal sales and purchase of firearms but these are typically firearms that are stolen by a criminal and sold to a criminal. Law enforcement works hard everyday to get stolen guns off the street and out of the hands of criminals.
The BATFE has a very strict licensing requirement and application for gun shops and monitors it very closely. I can't think of a single 'illegal' gun shop that I've seen anywhere, ever in my life. As for keeping an eye on serial numbers, that's already done. See NICS.
It's obvious he's nuts by the mugshots and some of the released photos. I worked a security job once and was sent to county hospital where I got a glimpse of the psychiatric ward. I'm sooo glad I only had to work one shift there! I swear I saw the same look on a patient's face the guy has in the shot all the channels are using. Freaks me out.
Don't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that this was politically/government motivated in any way shape or form, this guy is bat-shit crazy. He believed reality was false and the dreams were reality.
Totally unrelated. The whole BS about dragging that into this event is really just idiotic, as is the Congress-critter that wants to now pass laws making it a criminal offense to use any language or symbols that can be construed as a threat against a government official. Sounds like America to me, how about you? Idiots.
9mm pistols can hold 15 + rounds depending on the pistol and the magazine size. I think I heard the pistol was a glock, and that's 15 rounds standard. I don't doubt the accomplice part, just saying there's plenty of firepower in a standard 9mm with a high-cap mag to cause this kind of havoc.
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I think CNN says he had big clips of 30. I didn't think regular people had access to clips that size but I may be mistaken. Some states like CA limit the size clip you can buy at a gun shop. Only Police carry 16 round clips.
Actually they were probably the 33 round magazines as those are the standard extra-extra-high cap mags for Glocks, and yes, everyone in a non-communist state (just kidding, kinda) has access to such magazines. During the Clinton years that wasn't the case as they limited mags to 10 rounds (unless produced before the ban). For most, those ridiculously large magazines are more novelty items than anything else as they make the gun impossible to conceal in a normal manner as the magazine sticks out the bottom of the grip to about the length of the grip again. Obviously not impossible to conceal as I doubt this guy walked to this thing gun in hand, but still.
Dang Jason you REALLY do like to debate everything. Turn a simple thread into this. (not just you tho)
bdc30
BoM May '11
Not at all - quite the opposite I'd argue. I work for the police department (civilian) and I've been around guns plenty. My surprise comes from a 2-part equation I would say - first the amount of total whackjobs out there who are desperate or crazy or have little/nothing to live for and second the availablility of weapons (moreso illegally than through legal means as others have said).
Joe Random gun owner who's done everything the 'right way' to acquire a firearm doesn't scare me in the least bit.
hdroadglide
BoM x 2, BoY 2011
as usual, the point gets twisted by the talking heads. the crazy guy shot these people. he was known to the police who were called on him on at least five occasions for being disruptive in school. teachers feared for their lives. he had a skull shrine in his back yard. he had contacted the congresswoman before. let's put that out there that this kid had his OWN problems and did not represent any faction. what about the parents who raised this whackjob? could no one see his insanity?
hdroadglide
BoM x 2, BoY 2011
why doesn't the "media" ask the sheriff why he keeps blaming rush limbaugh when his department obviously slipped up.