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I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't suggest him because I like Chris Cornell better.How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't suggest him because I like Chris Cornell better.How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
You just did .How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
Better than any of those other pop bands mentioned....You just did .How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
Does he have a good voice?
The singer from mudhoney better than those mentioned in this thread? Thanks for the laugh bro.Better than any of those other pop bands mentioned....You just did .How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
Does he have a good voice?
From a musicology perspective, the man kinda has a point - Bands like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, AiC, and STP all were commodified versions of "Grunge" while the innovators - bands like Mudhoney, Tadd, and their cohorts - were left marginalized. One of the speculations as to why Kurt Cobain shot himself was due to feelings about Nirvana, as an originator in the movement, becoming a pop-commodity.The singer from mudhoney better than those mentioned in this thread? Thanks for the laugh bro.Better than any of those other pop bands mentioned....You just did .How is it that no one has suggested Mark Arm, the man that coined the term Grunge!?!
Does he have a good voice?
Right, that is my point. Most people are treating this question, by proxy, about the sales (and not pure competition) and the way to get those sales was to polish up the "grunge." Compare Soundgarden's "Birth Ritual" [Youtube]LB2NzTNptp0[/youtube] to anything off "Superunknown." As the band sought more commercial success Thayll's solo's got cleaned up, the bass was compressed more, Matt Cameron's drum tone was made brighter and more resonant, and Cornell became more focused on melody... but so what if all the other Seattle bands weren't going to go down that path? That's their choice, but that is besides the point.They were left marginalized because they couldn't compete... err sell, like the others. Had Mudhoney, Tadd and their cohorts sold like the others they would have been listed in your argument with Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, AiC, ect.... And no way am I putting Nickleback or Puddle of Crud in the same category as SG AIC PJ or Nirvana
I see what you're saying there and it is a very valid point. It also pretty much explains why "Bleach" is still my favorite Nirvanna release. The only other release after "Never Mind" that came close to that same vibe was the live album "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkaw"Right, that is my point. Most people are treating this question, by proxy, about the sales (and not pure competition) and the way to get those sales was to polish up the "grunge." Compare Soundgarden's "Birth Ritual" [Youtube]LB2NzTNptp0[/youtube] to anything off "Superunknown." As the band sought more commercial success Thayll's solo's got cleaned up, the bass was compressed more, Matt Cameron's drum tone was made brighter and more resonant, and Cornell became more focused on melody... but so what if all the other Seattle bands weren't going to go down that path? That's their choice, but that is besides the point.They were left marginalized because they couldn't compete... err sell, like the others. Had Mudhoney, Tadd and their cohorts sold like the others they would have been listed in your argument with Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, AiC, ect.... And no way am I putting Nickleback or Puddle of Crud in the same category as SG AIC PJ or Nirvana
All I am sayin' is that we have to be fair. We can't discredit Mark Arm as a candidate for "best singer from the grunge era" based on the popularity approach, because that same approach would suggest that we should all be smoking RP's & Gurkhas based on their widespread market appeal.
I am basing my decision of best singer by level of talent not most popular. And personally don't think Mark Arm's talent is even close to most of those mentioned in this thread. Also dont think him naming "grunge" makes him the best or has any relevance to this conversation.Right, that is my point. Most people are treating this question, by proxy, about the sales (and not pure competition) and the way to get those sales was to polish up the "grunge." Compare Soundgarden's "Birth Ritual" [Youtube]LB2NzTNptp0[/youtube] to anything off "Superunknown." As the band sought more commercial success Thayll's solo's got cleaned up, the bass was compressed more, Matt Cameron's drum tone was made brighter and more resonant, and Cornell became more focused on melody... but so what if all the other Seattle bands weren't going to go down that path? That's their choice, but that is besides the point.They were left marginalized because they couldn't compete... err sell, like the others. Had Mudhoney, Tadd and their cohorts sold like the others they would have been listed in your argument with Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, AiC, ect.... And no way am I putting Nickleback or Puddle of Crud in the same category as SG AIC PJ or Nirvana
All I am sayin' is that we have to be fair. We can't discredit Mark Arm as a candidate for "best singer from the grunge era" based on the popularity approach, because that same approach would suggest that we should all be smoking RP's & Gurkhas based on their widespread market appeal.
I agree with you, Craig. Music genres evolve from their infant stages, and they get better, imo, almost without exception.They were left marginalized because they couldn't compete... err sell, like the others. Had Mudhoney, Tadd and their cohorts sold like the others they would have been listed in your argument with Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, AiC, ect.... And no way am I putting Nickleback or Puddle of Crud in the same category as SG AIC PJ or Nirvana
Agreed!Not grunge, but Mike Patton has an amazing vocal range. In the span of a minute he can go from standard vocals to screams to weird noises to opera, and make it all blend together seamlessly.