Not even sure about that with all the crap they teach nowadays. Heck, people are more interested in who Anna Nicole's Baby's father was than the war we are in now much less what happened in the past.
Cuban embargo?
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Electric Sheep
Dsicle - BoM Dec 06
Uhm....while there was a small Community party in Cuba, founded in the 1920s, before Castro came to power, he WAS NOT part of that group. In fact, in 1959, when Castro came to power, Soviet premier Khrushchev asked the Cuban Communists about him, and they said he wasn't affiliated with. At that time, Castro referred to the government system as "Socialism".
He gained his military power *BEFORE* he became a communist!
1959 (Jan) - Casto comes to power (not Communist); Khrushchev begins discussions
1959 (Oct) - U.S. begins planning overthrow of Cuban govt
1959 - Castro's ex-lover Marita Lorenz fails as CIA-backed assination attempt
1960 - Cuba begins buying oil and goods from USSR; later comes military aid
1961 (Jan) - Eisenhower breaks off political ties with Cuba
1961 (April) - Bay of Pigs invasion (1,400 CIA Mercenaries)
1961 (July) - Castro's "26 July" movement merges with a Cuban socialist group
1961 (Dec) - Castro says he's "Marxist-Leninist" and that Cuba was adopting Communism
1962 (Feb) - U.S. begins trade embargo
1962 (March) - Castro's Group becomes "United Party of the Cuban Socialist Revolution"
1962 (Oct) - Cuban Missle Crises
1965 (Oct) - Castro's Group becomes "Communist Party of Cuba"
So as you can see, Castro was a pain-in-our-ass before he "switched" from Socialism to Communism. We tried to invade Cuba before he was a Commie. We tried to kill him off before he was a Commie. We cut off political ties before he was a Commie.
The embargo isn't about Communism itself--again, if that were the case, we'd be against Communism everywhere. No, it's about the pain-in-the-ass factor of Castro himself and his connection with Khrushchev.
Heck, the reason so many U.S. politicians are in favor of disolving the embargo today is because of the end of the Cold War, the fall of the USSR, and the lack of any immediate threat from Cuba.
But if it did end today---Castro would still be Communist!
Electric Sheep
Dsicle - BoM Dec 06
Wasch_24
2005 BoY
I know it is a stretch but it is almost like some of us using a middle man to buy cigars. :grin:
indyrob
BoM Feb '06 & Sept. '08
I don't think the embargo is really worthwhile to enforce on a individual basis when you consider the different ways you can violate the embargo being a US citizen.
Can you make sure that when abroad you ask for Non Cuban Origin Sugar?
How about Non Cuban Origin Oil next time you fill up a gas tank when traveling outside the US?
How about Bicardi Rum in that Cuba Libre instead of Havana Club?
I also hear that they produce cigars too...
Can you make sure that when abroad you ask for Non Cuban Origin Sugar?
How about Non Cuban Origin Oil next time you fill up a gas tank when traveling outside the US?
How about Bicardi Rum in that Cuba Libre instead of Havana Club?
I also hear that they produce cigars too...
I worked for a company that would not do business in communist countries. The company was Cincinnati Incorporated. They make machine tools. During WWII they made literally tons of equipment for the lend lease program. When the war was over and people from USSR would try and order parts for the stuff the US gave them they would tell them no. When I was traveling to Taiwan to service machines there I had the president of the company there talk to me several times about our policy because they wanted to build a plant in China and wanted our machines. Our owner turned down $5 million in sales to that company. I don't know if I always agreed with that policy, but I always admired his principles.
His name is Perin Marsh.
He also would not knowingly by goods from China. We had a guy order some tooling for us. When it came in it turned out it was made in China. Perin saw it and made him throw it away.
I don't know how much this has to do with Cuba, but I do believe it is important to make a stand on some things. I know our Government has screwed up this policy, but I always wonder about so called American companies that look to their profits over supporting our countries policies despite its obvious flaws. We have the ability in this country to get things we don't like changed. If some of those companies made a stand for what they believed in and stood by that then maybe the Embargo would have been gone years ago.
I have no issue with honest debate within our borders on anything. But I have always thought very little of people who feel compelled to "air our dirty laundry" overseas for all our enemies to gloat about. Argue, debate, and critisize all you want. Lobby to get the policy changed, as it probably should be. But until it is, support our countries policies so our enemies know our people support our country.
Damn, how did this soap box get so high?....
His name is Perin Marsh.
He also would not knowingly by goods from China. We had a guy order some tooling for us. When it came in it turned out it was made in China. Perin saw it and made him throw it away.
I don't know how much this has to do with Cuba, but I do believe it is important to make a stand on some things. I know our Government has screwed up this policy, but I always wonder about so called American companies that look to their profits over supporting our countries policies despite its obvious flaws. We have the ability in this country to get things we don't like changed. If some of those companies made a stand for what they believed in and stood by that then maybe the Embargo would have been gone years ago.
I have no issue with honest debate within our borders on anything. But I have always thought very little of people who feel compelled to "air our dirty laundry" overseas for all our enemies to gloat about. Argue, debate, and critisize all you want. Lobby to get the policy changed, as it probably should be. But until it is, support our countries policies so our enemies know our people support our country.
Damn, how did this soap box get so high?....
Electric Sheep
Dsicle - BoM Dec 06
Ray, I think I agree with that...mostly anyways. I mean, I wasn't alive at the time, but having nukes pointed at us from 90 miles away certainly must have sucked. I can't fault our government for not wanting to be nuked.
And hey, if anyone here knows something about getting nuked, it's me.
okemyeye
And hey, if anyone here knows something about getting nuked, it's me.
okemyeye
Why is that?Ray, I think I agree with that...mostly anyways. I mean, I wasn't alive at the time, but having nukes pointed at us from 90 miles away certainly must have sucked. I can't fault our government for not wanting to be nuked.
And hey, if anyone here knows something about getting nuked, it's me.
Electric Sheep
Dsicle - BoM Dec 06
Because I had family that got nuked in WWII