no need to get upset... simply put tatuaje makes some of the best smokes out there and are 100% worth the money IMHO (including the drac and black tubos). if they don't seem worth it to you, just opt to buy other stuff. no need to insult the company and those who run it. just reach for whatever makes you happy, light it up, and relax.
Have Tatuaje and Pete "Jumped the Shark"???
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by "jumping the shark" i don't think he is refering to the fuente product, but the happy days episode when the fonz jumps a shark while water skiing. its a phrase people use to describe the turning point of something that was once great that is heading downhill and will probably not return to it's former glory.
You should probably learn to spell "absolutely ridiculous" if you are going to use it in posts.
As it has been said... lots of other companies have these kinds of halo sticks. The Padron 80th is over $30 (and its pretty universally accepted as an awesome stick and worth it to many people, just not an every day smoke)... have they jumped the shark?
I think that he may be reaching critical mass with the number of lines. I don't know if he can keep up with too many more.
The thing with the dracs was blown waaaaaaaay out of proportion by many people. The rest of us have moved on because the smell went away, believe me, I've got plenty.
The "issues" with the blacks really aren't anything to worry about at all. Burn issues happen, things get damaged in shipping and every single one with a problem was replaced.
Who cares if cigars are released first at a certain shop? Honestly, who cares? I'll tell you who doesn't... other shop owners. The shops that have been around since the beginning get rewarded more by Tatuaje than almost any other company.
The limited edition single shop smokes are just for fun. Have some freaking fun with this hobby instead of trying to be the guy that "called it".
As it has been said... lots of other companies have these kinds of halo sticks. The Padron 80th is over $30 (and its pretty universally accepted as an awesome stick and worth it to many people, just not an every day smoke)... have they jumped the shark?
On the other hand, you look at some of these companies selling cigars at that price and they've built a reputation for being fantastic and reliable. Pete has fumbled a bit on his last couple of cigars and so when people see an even more expensive cigar coming out it's reasonable to wonder what's going on. I mean with the drac you spend $13 a pop (at least) to get cigars that smell like varnish, then you spend around the same money for the red and black tubos to find out that they'll split open or won't stay lit or the flavor isn't mature etc. etc.
Even though these are probably exagerrated they still stick in the minds of consumers when they're asked to spend double that.
On the other hand, you look at some of these companies selling cigars at that price and they've built a reputation for being fantastic and reliable. Pete has fumbled a bit on his last couple of cigars and so when people see an even more expensive cigar coming out it's reasonable to wonder what's going on. I mean with the drac you spend $13 a pop (at least) to get cigars that smell like varnish, then you spend around the same money for the red and black tubos to find out that they'll split open or won't stay lit or the flavor isn't mature etc. etc.
Even though these are probably exagerrated they still stick in the minds of consumers when they're asked to spend double that.
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Just to put this all in perspective. There are a lot of cigar makers putting out hyper premium products that cost a ridiculous amount of money. If the demand is there then so be it. I'm not going to write off that maker on their other lines if they smoke well. I enjoy cigars, but I also know my limitations on what I'm going to spend . Bottom line cigars are a luxury and not essential. I smoke to enjoy, not to impress or collect. If these lines don't sell well then they will get it and adjust their price accordingly.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
I respect that everyone can have their own opinion, so your post is fine with me. However, I don't agree with any of it.
Something tells me that in the early days it was about the cigars. Now it's about the cash.
And your line above... I personally know that Pete can be doing things differently if this was true.
Something tells me that in the early days it was about the cigars. Now it's about the cash.
And your line above... I personally know that Pete can be doing things differently if this was true.
I've only smoked a handful of brown labels. I have to say the Regios I smoked in a cigar shop on a rainy day of vacation was one of my best smokes ever. Maybe it was just that good, maybe it was the company or the free beer, but getting to that cigar store salvaged a day of vacation. Not bad for $11.
Regarding the Drac, I was lucky enough to get a box at a local store I had not previously visited. I've been back a bunch of times, and the Tatuaje cigars are by far the "prettiest" smokes in the shop. My Dracs are still in the cooler, and even if they turn out to be underwhelming, they were the conduit to building a relationship at a shop, and meeting other people. So I can't complain. That said, they really look great, one will be torched soon.
Regarding the Drac, I was lucky enough to get a box at a local store I had not previously visited. I've been back a bunch of times, and the Tatuaje cigars are by far the "prettiest" smokes in the shop. My Dracs are still in the cooler, and even if they turn out to be underwhelming, they were the conduit to building a relationship at a shop, and meeting other people. So I can't complain. That said, they really look great, one will be torched soon.
There are as many types of cigars out there as there are bottles of wine , brands of beer, or makes and models of cars. Our economy is made of different types of people with different tastes and differnet financial capacities. That's what is unique about us as a nation.
I think it's cool that Pete has been to take something he obviously enjoys build it up and be very successful with it. His success is because enough people like us like his product and are willing to pay what he asks for it. The funny thing is that the market will decide if $25 is too muck for a single cigar by either buying it or not. If they do and it's successful I can almost guarantee that there will be another. If it doesnt do so well they wont keep making them. Simple economics.
If you dont like the price or the cigars dont buy them. It's your opinion but dont get burned up over it.
I think it's cool that Pete has been to take something he obviously enjoys build it up and be very successful with it. His success is because enough people like us like his product and are willing to pay what he asks for it. The funny thing is that the market will decide if $25 is too muck for a single cigar by either buying it or not. If they do and it's successful I can almost guarantee that there will be another. If it doesnt do so well they wont keep making them. Simple economics.
If you dont like the price or the cigars dont buy them. It's your opinion but dont get burned up over it.
It's tough being number one. You're more "out there", more exposed and everyone is waiting for you to make a mistake. It comes with the turf. Good luck, Pete!
Sorry dude. People don't like people who don't like Tatuaje around here. Thats why you're getting your nipples twisted right now. Stick around though. They're good folk. You might even get a response from Pete. There ain't too many places where a proprietor will personally engage their customers. This is definitely one of those places.
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To all you guys comparing Pete's sticks to Padron 80th and 45th etc.. I have one question.. How many Padron's have you smoked that have had a draw problem, burn issue, or any other QC issue?
I know there's alot of love here for Pete. He's a great guy that makes some very good cigars,but let's be objective. Constructive criticism is not a bad thing.
Also to all you guys telling JxBr How things work on the boards he's been around alot longer than most of you.
I know there's alot of love here for Pete. He's a great guy that makes some very good cigars,but let's be objective. Constructive criticism is not a bad thing.
Also to all you guys telling JxBr How things work on the boards he's been around alot longer than most of you.
I seldom hear people complain when they shell out $30 for an Opus so why should Tatuaje be any different? if you like it buy it if not pass it by no point in calling out Pete.. if he sells a stick for $25 he also sells them for $5 so I don't see how he's in it just to fill his coffers.
BrandonJ
I <3 Eric.
To each their own right? I for one can't wait to pick up a few boxes of these.
No need for personal attacks gents.
If you don't wanna part with that kind of scratch for a smoke, don't. Free market economics rule the roost.
No need for personal attacks gents.
If you don't wanna part with that kind of scratch for a smoke, don't. Free market economics rule the roost.
openendstraight
Grand Corona
Have you smoked this $25 cigar? If not how do you know it is not worth the money? As you can see from my signature I don't like everything Pete puts out, but keep in mind he is running a buisiness. If you don't want to pay $25 for one of his cigars then don't.
BrooksW
BoM June '09
I will spend the money if it is a good stick, and if it is not, then I won't.
I think Pete NEEDS an ultra premium stick in his lineup, if only as a marketing tool (not that that is all it is, of course)...
Think about it this way...I have different packages for my (real) business/job that clients can choose...my top package is over 15k, and when I made it up, I thought there was no way in hell anyone would choose it....but a few have...and at the same time, the fact that I HAVE a package that high raises my stature in the eyes of the clients that come in to meet me (even if they don't choose it)...
If Pete is going to compete with the big dogs in this industry, then there is more to it then making cigars...Marketing is a MAJOR part, and while there is more too it then that, I see that as one of the reasons he is releasing this specific stick at this price...
Nobody FORCES anyone to buy anything, and if the masses don't think that the cigar is worth it, it will not sell...(Fuente has released many sticks around that price range that have pretty much failed...)
~brooks
I think Pete NEEDS an ultra premium stick in his lineup, if only as a marketing tool (not that that is all it is, of course)...
Think about it this way...I have different packages for my (real) business/job that clients can choose...my top package is over 15k, and when I made it up, I thought there was no way in hell anyone would choose it....but a few have...and at the same time, the fact that I HAVE a package that high raises my stature in the eyes of the clients that come in to meet me (even if they don't choose it)...
If Pete is going to compete with the big dogs in this industry, then there is more to it then making cigars...Marketing is a MAJOR part, and while there is more too it then that, I see that as one of the reasons he is releasing this specific stick at this price...
Nobody FORCES anyone to buy anything, and if the masses don't think that the cigar is worth it, it will not sell...(Fuente has released many sticks around that price range that have pretty much failed...)
~brooks
I agree with some of the points in the original post, but not on the price of this new smoke.
If you don't like the price, don't buy one.
If you don't like the price, don't buy one.
Well, it all comes down to this. Pay what you want for a cigar. Smoke what you like. Give away what you don't like. Pete didn't create the hype on all his new releases. We as cigar smokers did. Yes he markets them, but look at this board, as well as others, 6 months ago. Feeding frenzy just for some cigars. Again, Pete didn't start it. Cigar smokers did.
The original poster mad some valid points. He spoke his opinion. We don't have to like or agree with it, but we should show some respect.
Will I be buying the super cab of the La Veritas. No. Will I buy some of the pre-order ones. Yes. You failed to mention that Pete will be allowing retailers the option of allowing people to pre order at a lower price. Nice trend taken directly from the wine industry, specifically the Bordeaux futuers.
As for Pete having more than one Ferrari, trust me, he doesn't even have one. He drives a Range Rover. He puts his pants on like the rest of us and is just like the rest of us. He loves smoking great cigars. If you knew anything about the man, he shares the share. And that speaks volumns. When you walk into his offices, you better not pull out one of your own cigars, because he will hand you something new or old to try.
By the way, I am not defending Pete, PHJ Cellars, Tatuaje or Havana Cellars. That's his job and what he pays attorneys to do. I am just pointing out some thoughts and standing by my friend.
The original poster mad some valid points. He spoke his opinion. We don't have to like or agree with it, but we should show some respect.
Will I be buying the super cab of the La Veritas. No. Will I buy some of the pre-order ones. Yes. You failed to mention that Pete will be allowing retailers the option of allowing people to pre order at a lower price. Nice trend taken directly from the wine industry, specifically the Bordeaux futuers.
As for Pete having more than one Ferrari, trust me, he doesn't even have one. He drives a Range Rover. He puts his pants on like the rest of us and is just like the rest of us. He loves smoking great cigars. If you knew anything about the man, he shares the share. And that speaks volumns. When you walk into his offices, you better not pull out one of your own cigars, because he will hand you something new or old to try.
By the way, I am not defending Pete, PHJ Cellars, Tatuaje or Havana Cellars. That's his job and what he pays attorneys to do. I am just pointing out some thoughts and standing by my friend.
BrandonJ
I <3 Eric.
Bill, it has just been decided.... I no longer wan't a lock of Pete's hair, I would like a lock of yours. :tongueout
Well said brother..
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