New Flavor Wheel Flavors

[ZippoGeek]

Alright icehog and Zippo, we're gonna need a list of what y'all smoke as well..... Definitely don't want to experience those..

Asphalt: tasted in the venerable Ron Mexico, as well as a Carlos Torano blend I once tried. Asphalt is a most vile taste experience, matched only in badness by tar accumulation at the head of a stick.

Horseradish: this has kicked me in the face several times when burning really bold Nicaraguans. I can't recall which, but they were all massively full-bodied and spicy. A very unwelcome flavor, but thankfully rare.

Mustard: earlier this year I tasted a TON of it in an incredibly well-aged (6 years at least) Opus X. That cigar absolutely blew my mind, because not 20 minutes earlier it had started with intense dried cherry notes. I was e-herfing with @EO80 when I burned it, raving like a madman about all the notes and wild transitions. He had this look on his face ( or ), like I was either full of crap or off my medication...

 

[Gdaddy]

Had a pound of volado I threw in the dumper because it smelled of urine. Horse urine or possibly human urine not sure. Now that I think about it maybe it was donkey urine. Definitely NOT pony urine ( I like that). It all has certain uniqueness.

 

[blisscigarco]

Woah, where's the horseshit?

I left that one out as a test to see if you had read this thread.

 

[Glassman]

Asphalt: tasted in the venerable Ron Mexico, as well as a Carlos Torano blend I once tried. Asphalt is a most vile taste experience, matched only in badness by tar accumulation at the head of a stick.

Horseradish: this has kicked me in the face several times when burning really bold Nicaraguans. I can't recall which, but they were all massively full-bodied and spicy. A very unwelcome flavor, but thankfully rare.

Mustard: earlier this year I tasted a TON of it in an incredibly well-aged (6 years at least) Opus X. That cigar absolutely blew my mind, because not 20 minutes earlier it had started with intense dried cherry notes. I was e-herfing with @EO80 when I burned it, raving like a madman about all the notes and wild transitions. He had this look on his face ( or ), like I was either full of crap or off my medication...

Hahahahahaha, perfect.

 

[icehog3]

Alright icehog and Zippo, we're gonna need a list of what y'all smoke as well..... Definitely don't want to experience those..

The ass came from a Cremosa Cubana many years ago. Avoid at any cost.

Root beer was a combo of a La Escepcion Longo and a Monte Hoyita smoked simultaneously. And I am not talking about a hint of root beer, I am talking full on A&W. We have tried to duplicate it since, with disappointing results.

 

[Hopduro]

I left that one out as a test to see if you had read this thread.

Lol well... it's a necessary household flavor for me

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[jj16361]

I think heavily aged cigars aste like the thrift store smells, liked musty cotton. Was the dominant note in most 10+ year old cigars Ive had.
Ive gotten peppered salmon out of the Hamlet Paredes by Patel, thought it was because I had fish that morning but got it in all 3 I smoked on different days.
My favorite flavor note is pencil lead, the Añejo has tons of it.
You need categories though, like under chocolate you need baking chocolate, dry cocoa, dark chocolate, milk chocolate, white chocolate, chocolate ice cream, ovaltine powder, chocolate milk, etc etc etc.
I get cherry bourbon from the crux bull & bear, delicious!
The Esteban Carreras Chupa Cabra Maduro smells and tastes like fresh manure, so strongly I usually quarantine them as if they were infused.
I get fresh linen and grape leaves from the skinny Jekyll and Hyde

 

[blisscigarco]

Come to think of it the whole concept of a flavor wheel is.... nonexistant. With a color wheel, there's math: complimentary colors on the opposite sides, tertiary colors, warm, cool.... the colors next to each other are based on wavelength, etc. etc.

But on a flavor wheel? Like what's the complimentary flavor/aroma to "nuts"? Leather? And if you add nuts and leather do you get no aroma, as when you add green and red and you get gray?

Really it could more honestly just be columns.

But hey, pies are pretty.

 

[jj16361]

Come to think of it the whole concept of a flavor wheel is.... nonexistant. With a color wheel, there's math: complimentary colors on the opposite sides, tertiary colors, warm, cool.... the colors next to each other are bases on wavelength, etc. etc.

But on a flavor wheel? Like what's the complimentary flavor/aroma to "nuts"? Leather? And if you add nuts and leather do you get no aroma, as when you add green and red and you get gray?

Really it could more honestly just be columns.

But hey, pies are pretty.

I think the flavor wheel is just a good way to divide into categories, but youre right, columns probably would be easier to organize.
Do a 'grain' column and under it include pasta, white bread, whole wheat, rye, toasted, raw dough, pasta, cereal grain, oat, corn flakes, stale bread, etc.
Edit: a wheel is also a good way to show how flavors overlap, for instance you could get chocolate and cream notes, or you could get chocolate ice cream notes

 

[EO80]

@Bondo 440 can we get a cut and paste of the dog rocket flavor wheel for this guy and for the ney sayers.
@bwhite220 i told you to read the dog rocket thread. Most of those flavors show up in these reviews.

 

[Boudie]

I've read articles that say flavors and smells of a cigar can often be described as a memory. A cigar can remind you of an experience. Not sure how the board feels about that but I had a cigar when I first started smoking that reminded me of "Grandpa". He used to sit in his old red leather rocker smoking some type of plastic tipped (swisher sweets?) cigar doing crossword puzzles. I swear the cigar reminded me of that. It also reminded me of Grandma storming in to the house yelling at him to get the hell on the back porch with that damn thing.

So any flavor wheel I have would have to include GRANDPA a mixture of old leather, newsprint, sweet/bad tobacco and grandma's bath powder. 50 years ago but still vivid!

 

[blisscigarco]

I've read articles that say flavors and smells of a cigar can often be described as a memory. A cigar can remind you of an experience. Not sure how the board feels about that but I had a cigar when I first started smoking that reminded me of "Grandpa". He used to sit in his old red leather rocker smoking some type of plastic tipped (swisher sweets?) cigar doing crossword puzzles. I swear the cigar reminded me of that. It also reminded me of Grandma storming in to the house yelling at him to get the hell on the back porch with that damn thing.

So any flavor wheel I have would have to include GRANDPA a mixture of old leather, newsprint, sweet/bad tobacco and grandma's bath powder. 50 years ago but still vivid!

Yeah, I agree with this, and cigar smoking is more about an experience, thoughts, awareness of nicotine effects, etc. The reason my gf is comfortable with my cigar smoking is that her orthopedist/prosthetist from the 60s and early 70s always smoked a cigar while he worked on her leg. He was a nice guy and she liked him a lot.

Whenever I talk about a cigar I usually describe it in terms of what it made me feel and think about rather than which specific brand of chocolate malt it smelled like to me. Tobacco is a drug, not a candy or a food.

 

[jj16361]

Whenever I talk about a cigar I usually describe it in terms of what it made me feel and think about rather than which specific brand of chocolate malt it smelled like to me. Tobacco is a drug, not a candy or a food.

That was thinly veiled

 

[Boudie]

I'm not sure "Grandpa" would ever make it in a Katman's review but it would bring a smile to anyone else that had similar experiences. Just like
"Merica" - fireworks and bbq
"Freedom" open road and a bit of car exhaust
"Woodshop" freshly cut wood and glue
"Campout" pine trees and campfire

I think smoking a cigar is a sensory experience and when a cigar reminds me of something like that I make a note of it. Very personal but very helpful when deciding if I want to smoke that cigar again!

 

[bwhite220]

[USER=17345]@bwhite220 i told you to read the dog rocket thread. Most of those flavors show up in these reviews.[/USER]

Bro, i'm trying but there are [B]so[/B] many pages to that thread! haha

[QUOTE="Boudie, post: 1955001, member: 17691"]I've read articles that say flavors and smells of a cigar can often be described as a memory. A cigar can remind you of an experience. Not sure how the board feels about that but I had a cigar when I first started smoking that reminded me of "Grandpa". He used to sit in his old red leather rocker smoking some type of plastic tipped (swisher sweets?) cigar doing crossword puzzles. I swear the cigar reminded me of that. It also reminded me of Grandma storming in to the house yelling at him to get the hell on the back porch with that damn thing.

So any flavor wheel I have would have to include GRANDPA a mixture of old leather, newsprint, sweet/bad tobacco and grandma's bath powder. 50 years ago but still vivid![/QUOTE]
This might be the most truthful/factual thing said on this entire forum. (y)

 

[Boudie]

Oh, and my wife doesn't mind a bit of cigar smoke in the house occasionally because it reminds her of her father.

 

[blisscigarco]

That was thinly veiled

Thanks, I try!

Actually I'm not intending to diss anyone else's way of appreciating a cigar, just sharing my own subjective way of it. Katman's subjective method is to notice the differences between several hundred different malts, right? I don't think he's ever said, "That cigar reminded me of Pam, in 7th grade, first girl with boobs...." And, you know, I kind of feel sad about that.

 

[blisscigarco]

I think the flavor wheel is just a good way to divide into categories, but youre right, columns probably would be easier to organize.
Do a 'grain' column and under it include pasta, white bread, whole wheat, rye, toasted, raw dough, pasta, cereal grain, oat, corn flakes, stale bread, etc.
Edit: a wheel is also a good way to show how flavors overlap, for instance you could get chocolate and cream notes, or you could get chocolate ice cream notes

I would like to try to do that, make it more analogous to a color wheel than the less relational typical flavor wheel is.

 

[jj16361]

Thanks, I try!

Actually I'm not intending to diss anyone else's way of appreciating a cigar, just sharing my own subjective way of it. Katman's subjective method is to notice the differences between several hundred different malts, right? I don't think he's ever said, "That cigar reminded me of Pam, in 7th grade, first girl with boobs...." And, you know, I kind of feel sad about that.

Which is fine if youre writing a personal review that you dont intend to share or let others use as a reference. If youre writing a real, unbiased review, you shouldnt let subjective memories take the place of actual flavor notes. I thought you were trying to put together a flavor wheel of actual notes for reference. If Im looking for a cigar or leaf with bitter cocoa notes, Im not going to want one with sweet milk chocolate notes.

 

[blisscigarco]

Which is fine if youre writing a personal review that you dont intend to share or let others use as a reference. If youre writing a real, unbiased review, you shouldnt let subjective memories take the place of actual flavor notes. I thought you were trying to put together a flavor wheel of actual notes for reference. If Im looking for a cigar or leaf with bitter cocoa notes, Im not going to want one with sweet milk chocolate notes.

Yeah, that's true.
The thread went somewhere that wasn't my intention, because a lot of people read it who don't know me since I only hang out here in the rollers' section, which is a small crew of people who've known each other for a few years. They would intuit that my interest with this "new flavor wheel," particularly because of previous wheels I've posted, are humor and subjectivity, not science and objectivity. I do kinda feel that I gave hints of that in my original post, where I list things like "unwashed feminine aspect," "nauseatingly gross," and "skank."