Viaje Stuffed Turkey
- Thread starter Ben W
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I do not really know if I would consider it a full rip off of Pete's products. Then again I will not say it isn't either. Fact is, Andre F***A** as I have heard him referred as, is not going to last in this industry. He is a business man, that is in it for the money. He will make a quick buck and move on.
Notice how he does not have any cigars that have been blended by any other rollers or, any exclusive cigars with other people. No one likes him. He buys small amounts of tobacco from Nestor Placencia, then has them rolled in the Raicias Cubanas factory then ships them out as high end LE cigars. He does not even blend his own products, others make blends and he picks them out.
He will be gone soon enough. Some of his cigars may be good, but I refuse to smoke a cigar from a man than not only has time and time again copied others ideas, especially without asking, and is not a true cigar man. This I can NOT support and will not. I only own a few of his smokes and that is because I did not realize the sham until after I purchased them. I should sell them. I think I will sell them.
Notice how he does not have any cigars that have been blended by any other rollers or, any exclusive cigars with other people. No one likes him. He buys small amounts of tobacco from Nestor Placencia, then has them rolled in the Raicias Cubanas factory then ships them out as high end LE cigars. He does not even blend his own products, others make blends and he picks them out.
He will be gone soon enough. Some of his cigars may be good, but I refuse to smoke a cigar from a man than not only has time and time again copied others ideas, especially without asking, and is not a true cigar man. This I can NOT support and will not. I only own a few of his smokes and that is because I did not realize the sham until after I purchased them. I should sell them. I think I will sell them.
I like viaje stuff alot. I also like tat stuff alot. They both have smoke i dont like, those i dont buy.
I dont think he will be out of business. well atleast i hope not...I respect everybodys opinion on the matter, but you know what??? Thats all it is opinions...people will like either guys product or not. But thats the beauty of having an option.
Gimmiks are gimmiks no matter who thought of it first.
Its like Coke and Pepsi everybody has there favorite.
I dont think he will be out of business. well atleast i hope not...I respect everybodys opinion on the matter, but you know what??? Thats all it is opinions...people will like either guys product or not. But thats the beauty of having an option.
Gimmiks are gimmiks no matter who thought of it first.
Its like Coke and Pepsi everybody has there favorite.
Baldanders
Jim AKA Patty
Any help for the OP? Does anyone have info for him? Is it really nessersary to make him read 3 pages that has nothing to do with his question?
Docbp87
Smoke Into Oblivion
Andre actually said, during his presentation of the VOR No.5 at Big Smoke, that the concept for the brand was to focus on small batch, limited releases, from the get go, but to build a financial base to build these releases on, he had to create a pair of regular release lines as a foundation for the brand, so doing the limited, small release thing has been the planned focus from day 1.
As for the Stuffed Turkey, I think he said 4x60.
As for the Stuffed Turkey, I think he said 4x60.
SurpriseMVP
Mike
Well said brother. Glad to hear people won't smoke viaje for personal reasons. More for me
I guess the reason I believe he will not be in the cigar world for a long period of time is because he is not working with Padron, Fuente, Pepin, Guillermo Leon, Litto or anyone else with a name that carries a lot of weight. Just my $.02.
Docbp87
Smoke Into Oblivion
Uh... Really? Fábrica de Tabacos Raíces Cubanas is a name that carries a TON of weight, and quality. Regardless of whether you like Viaje, Andre, the marketing, or whatever else, you cannot deny the technical quality behind the brand...
Dr. Xikar
The Knife Doctor
So... Anyone care to tell me what the big deal is? I mean, I understood the "zombie" controversy, where it was a "monster line ripoff", and the C4/M80 stuff, but what's the big deal with this one? Did I miss Tatuaje releasing a "drumstick" or a "gravy ladle", or some shit like that?
:clap: true that...
As for the stuffed turkey potentially being a 4x60 might be a tough buy for me although I do have a few 60RG's tucked in the humi...
Any word on blend? Based on something current or brand new altogether?
njstone
BoM January 2010
I've got to agree there. Raices Cubanas has been putting out some absolutely great cigars the last few years. I may have issues with Viaje's marketing strategy and ability to "remake" his blends in subsequent releases, but overall they are quality cigars.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
So are you also saying Illusione won't be in business that long??? Made at the same factory... good enough pedigree if you ask me.
njstone
BoM January 2010
Viaje Candied Yams ... that might be one I'd be interested in getting
Especially if it was similar to the original Holiday Blend, those had a sweetness that I just loved.
There is no denying that most of what Andre brings to the table marketing wise is someone elses concept (usually Petes) with enough of a twist so that it is not a direct rip off. I used to go after his smokes in the beginning but as of late I do not bother for a couple reasons. The biggest reason is a lot of what he has had to offer as of late (the last year or so) has been green and needs to be sat on for a good bit before they became/become smokeable for me. I do not like spending $10-$12+ for smokes that I need to stash away for 6+ months so that I can enjoy them. Too much competition in that price point and most of the competition I know I can snag a box and go home and start smoking it right of way. The second biggest reason I am losing interest is if you talk to most of the big guys in the industry they have nothing but negative things to say about him and a lot of them feel he is not interested in the industry other than making a quick buck. In most industries that would be forgivable but in the cigar industry which is always under attack we need manufacturers who are interested in the longevity of the industry. If you were to go back a year or so guys absolutely loved the brand and chased the latest release like it was their job. As time goes by I myself am seeing more and more guys just not giving a crap about it for one reason or another. Hell my local still has Summerfest from last year, MOAB, WMD etc. The one line that he has had the most success with in my opinion is the S&B but even than guys are losing interest simply because he keeps going to the well way to often with it and half of the offerings were a swing and a miss. I think guys are just finally starting to see through the gimmicks and are moving on so I too agree with those who feel that he will be gone from the industry in a year or two. In my opinion his smokes are just too hit and miss as of late and at that price point you need to make sure most of them are homeruns. I know it has been said that he based the brands to be mostly short runs and limiteds but if your going to go that route at least make sure the smokes your releasing are smokeable at the time of release but I guess when you need to stick to a schedule to make money than you need to rush things to market whether they are ready or not. I always had more respect for the guys who had a timeline for a release but than delayed it because the line was not ready yet. Hell I completely ignored this last S&B and 50/50 release and I can snag as much as my heart desires. Guys are always comparing him to Pete but in my mind they are not even in the same league. I think the comparison just always comes from the fact that most of what Andre comes up with is a direct rip off of something Pete has come up with. Hell even the latest S&B Black band is a ripoff of the RP Vudu in my opinion.
I'm wondering if he is trying to go after the MUWAT crowd with this size????
