Liga FFP worth $17?
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danthebugman
BoM Nov '10
I'm with most the guys here in that I'd pay that much for 'em. That said I don't buy too many because I'm not baller enough to spend that much on a cigar very frequently. You might feel differently after you smoke one, but they are worth a try.
Dan
Dan
I have a few coming from a fellow BOTL, he was kind enough to sell me a few since they are impossible to get ahold of in Canada. These will be my first FFP, I paid exactly $17 each and didn't think twice about it.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
There are some great cigars out there and one thing I've seen too many times is the hype over advertised cigars that come out. Think about it...there are a lot of cigars out there and to distinguish yourself from the others one way to overhype a cigar is by creating buzz, price point and ability to get them. This is reminiscent of the Opus and others and while the FFP is a good cigar it's not a $16 cigar when compared to others out there. Will people buy it...of course they will because like anything else that sells in this environment people talk about it and if it's a decent cigar then it becomes a chase to find them. Make them somewhat rare and you tickle the wallets of those who love to have things 'rare' and that drives a market as well as most things. Stop paying that kind of money and the price point comes down because they can't move stock. If people continue to buy them at an inflated value then don't expect the price to come down anytime soon....as I said it's a good cigar but I don't like being manipulated so I won't be buying anymore until they get over themselves and bring it down where the common man can afford it. MHO
Going to be tough to avoid every cigar being marketed in some way. (Not to mention every marketed consumer product.)
I've said that FFP's are also priced beyond value TO ME, but I don't begrudge any company for embracing capitalism in open markets; I'm a fan of supply and demand 'theory'.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
I don't see any manipulation with them selling them at the price they are, this is a limited production cigar, the quality of tobacco is there and I can't imagine they have many rollers that roll this shape at the factory. DE isn't "pulling wool" on anyone with the FFP and I know for a fact that it wasn't any kind of deceptive marketing that put them where they are today.
Good thing they are only 10 count boxes
Feral Pigs? I roll them all the time for fun; I'll fly down and make it 5 rollers :angel::cbig:
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Just gave my opinion and not saying that DE is being deceptive...it's a generalized thinking outside the box process. Hey, if you want to pay $50 for those cigars that's your prerogative and at the end of the day that's all it is. Cigars and the cost they are is something that each person has to think about for themselves but I understand more than most folks about product and sales and what the market will bare...if you want to encourage the market and pay $50 for a cigar...enjoy.I don't see any manipulation with them selling them at the price they are, this is a limited production cigar, the quality of tobacco is there and I can't imagine they have many rollers that roll this shape at the factory. DE isn't "pulling wool" on anyone with the FFP and I know for a fact that it wasn't any kind of deceptive marketing that put them where they are today.
Good thing they are only 10 count boxes
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
Where did I encourage anyone to buy $50 cigars?
Ill put it this way. I think they are certainly "worth it to try" at the (~17$) you end up paying here. Assuming it doesn't break your cigar budget of course.
As an example, I love the Padron 45 Maduro (~25$) so I had to try the the Padron 85 (~20$). I did not like the 85 but I don't regret the purchase at all. Clearly anything in the Padron Family Reserve has earned being "worthy to try" at a relatively expensive price point even if I don't care for it. Other cigars like OPUS, Ashton ESG, Anejo (I'm sure other people here could make a better list than me) have clearly earned the same right.
You may or may not like the FFP but the question is have the FFP (and maybe even the whole LP line) proven they are "worthy to try" at that price? I think this is an easy answer (unless the only thing you follow is CA).
FWIW I didn't think the Feral Pig tasted like either the 9 or the T52. But that is just my opinion.
You know what I find so odd about this is how a few people blame us for manipulating the consumer market and price gouging, etc. etc. I have always been very forthright, we are in the cigar business, we do what we do to make money, if I wanted 2,000 great custom crafted cigars I could just go to anywhere and have them rolled for me personally, no need to have a factory in a third world country and manage 1,300 people... so just so we are clear, we are in the cigar business to make money.
The market has driven the demand for LPs - you don't see or anyone from our company posting LP this and LP that - it is just us responding to consumers. I bet on my FB page I have initiated something about LP maybe 10 times in the last year and this is a cigar I smoke 5+ a day of and am constantly working on new blends! Again it is consumers are the one posting pics and this and that.. It has gotten not a single 90+ rating from CA, in 5 years we have run maybe 5 ads total in a market where there is like 8 or 9 different magazines published quarterly or more frequently. We started with less than 50 accounts, it was a cigar made by the wacky ACID guys, and they wanted $10 for it???
LP's popularity is because of one reason and one reason only: word of mouth. Consumers liking it enough that they willingly share there own story about the cigar.
And I am thankful, it is very rewarding for something you created, develop, manufacture to be given so many accolades.
Now with all that being said, we the manufacture make the LOWEST profit on the product. When you see FFP sell for $45 a stick, you think we got that money? I wish someone would send me a check...
The bottom line is true ultra premium handmade cigars are a very time consuming laborious process that costs a lot to make. And if you notice all the ultra-premiums are in the $12+, most over $15... it is simply what it costs to smoke this grade of cigar when bought at retail. Too expensive, hey I have been there, not everyones wallet can afford these type of cigars.
No shame in that, but this stupid ass attitude that "I am not going to buy XXX until they lower the price to XXX" is just moronic. Damn, let me paint you an Occupy sign now... We are not lowering the prices and as inflation increases in Nicaragua (averaging about 9% on the key items we need and use) the prices will continue to increase.
I can understand wanting an Opus, Davidoff or Padron for less, but if they were sold for less, it would mean they would have to be lesser cigars.
There are THOUSANDS of more economically priced cigars to choose from, so I really have a hard time wrapping me head around those "Liga Privada guys" are ripping me. Like we forced you to buy it???
Just don't buy the damn cigar... seems pretty simple to me.
BR,
STS
'stirring the pot'
The market has driven the demand for LPs - you don't see or anyone from our company posting LP this and LP that - it is just us responding to consumers. I bet on my FB page I have initiated something about LP maybe 10 times in the last year and this is a cigar I smoke 5+ a day of and am constantly working on new blends! Again it is consumers are the one posting pics and this and that.. It has gotten not a single 90+ rating from CA, in 5 years we have run maybe 5 ads total in a market where there is like 8 or 9 different magazines published quarterly or more frequently. We started with less than 50 accounts, it was a cigar made by the wacky ACID guys, and they wanted $10 for it???
LP's popularity is because of one reason and one reason only: word of mouth. Consumers liking it enough that they willingly share there own story about the cigar.
And I am thankful, it is very rewarding for something you created, develop, manufacture to be given so many accolades.
Now with all that being said, we the manufacture make the LOWEST profit on the product. When you see FFP sell for $45 a stick, you think we got that money? I wish someone would send me a check...
The bottom line is true ultra premium handmade cigars are a very time consuming laborious process that costs a lot to make. And if you notice all the ultra-premiums are in the $12+, most over $15... it is simply what it costs to smoke this grade of cigar when bought at retail. Too expensive, hey I have been there, not everyones wallet can afford these type of cigars.
No shame in that, but this stupid ass attitude that "I am not going to buy XXX until they lower the price to XXX" is just moronic. Damn, let me paint you an Occupy sign now... We are not lowering the prices and as inflation increases in Nicaragua (averaging about 9% on the key items we need and use) the prices will continue to increase.
I can understand wanting an Opus, Davidoff or Padron for less, but if they were sold for less, it would mean they would have to be lesser cigars.
There are THOUSANDS of more economically priced cigars to choose from, so I really have a hard time wrapping me head around those "Liga Privada guys" are ripping me. Like we forced you to buy it???
Just don't buy the damn cigar... seems pretty simple to me.
BR,
STS
'stirring the pot'
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Hmmm... wonder what a PR expert would think of my last post?
Let's see:
Called a potential Customer Stupid - check
Called a potential Customer Moronic - check
Used Foul Language - check
Told all Customers that prices with go up - check
Told a potential Customer to not buy their product - check
Hmmm... bet my "Q" rating really sucks. <snicker>
BR,
STS
'stop your bellyaching and just don't buy the damn thing'
Let's see:
Called a potential Customer Stupid - check
Called a potential Customer Moronic - check
Used Foul Language - check
Told all Customers that prices with go up - check
Told a potential Customer to not buy their product - check
Hmmm... bet my "Q" rating really sucks. <snicker>
BR,
STS
'stop your bellyaching and just don't buy the damn thing'