Liga FFP worth $17?

[CATom]

^^ truth! As in anything don't like it don't buy it! I as a consumer appreciate the honesty.

 

[FuenteSmoker]

hahahahah......Thanks funny stuff Steve. But unfortunatly some people need stuff SPELLED out for them.

 

[txaggie9307]

You know what I find so odd about this is how a few people blame us for manipulating the consumer market and price gouging, etc. etc. I have always been very forthright, we are in the cigar business, we do what we do to make money, if I wanted 2,000 great custom crafted cigars I could just go to anywhere and have them rolled for me personally, no need to have a factory in a third world country and manage 1,300 people... so just so we are clear, we are in the cigar business to make money.

The market has driven the demand for LPs - you don't see or anyone from our company posting LP this and LP that - it is just us responding to consumers. I bet on my FB page I have initiated something about LP maybe 10 times in the last year and this is a cigar I smoke 5+ a day of and am constantly working on new blends! Again it is consumers are the one posting pics and this and that.. It has gotten not a single 90+ rating from CA, in 5 years we have run maybe 5 ads total in a market where there is like 8 or 9 different magazines published quarterly or more frequently. We started with less than 50 accounts, it was a cigar made by the wacky ACID guys, and they wanted $10 for it???

LP's popularity is because of one reason and one reason only: word of mouth. Consumers liking it enough that they willingly share there own story about the cigar.

And I am thankful, it is very rewarding for something you created, develop, manufacture to be given so many accolades.

Now with all that being said, we the manufacture make the LOWEST profit on the product. When you see FFP sell for $45 a stick, you think we got that money? I wish someone would send me a check...

The bottom line is true ultra premium handmade cigars are a very time consuming laborious process that costs a lot to make. And if you notice all the ultra-premiums are in the $12+, most over $15... it is simply what it costs to smoke this grade of cigar when bought at retail. Too expensive, hey I have been there, not everyones wallet can afford these type of cigars.

No shame in that, but this stupid ass attitude that "I am not going to buy XXX until they lower the price to XXX" is just moronic. Damn, let me paint you an Occupy sign now... We are not lowering the prices and as inflation increases in Nicaragua (averaging about 9% on the key items we need and use) the prices will continue to increase.

I can understand wanting an Opus, Davidoff or Padron for less, but if they were sold for less, it would mean they would have to be lesser cigars.

There are THOUSANDS of more economically priced cigars to choose from, so I really have a hard time wrapping me head around those "Liga Privada guys" are ripping me. Like we forced you to buy it???

Just don't buy the damn cigar... seems pretty simple to me.

BR,

STS
'stirring the pot'

I tried the cigar and while it was good I would rather spend another $8 and smoke a Padron 26th 40th over the FFP. I found the FFP to be a bit monotone in flavor and it did not really change much throughout the duration of the entire smoke.

On the matter of smoking anything Liga Privada, my decision was just made (by the previous post) that I will NEVER purchase another thing again from this company again. I did not believe that I was getting "ripped off" in price, I just wanted to know if the FFP was worth $17 a stick. After smoking it, I confirmed that it is not but that is my own opinion.

Give me any Padron, Tatuaje, Fuente, or ISOM over the Liga Privada brand any day of the week regardless of price.

My 2 Cents :smokingbo........

 

[Dave]

LOL Thanks, Steve. Never regretted a single LP purchase....nor, have I ever regretted ever reading a Steve Saka paragraph.

 

[mwlabel]

LOL Thanks, Steve. Never regretted a single LP purchase....nor, have I ever regretted ever reading a Steve Saka paragraph.

+1. Any time I see "ssaka" pop up on the recent posts list, I HAVE to click it.

 

[Agentskull]

If I told my fiancee what I paid for cigars she would go ballistic. That is why I don't tell her.

To me it all comes down to how much an hour or two of my time is worth and the enjoyment I get during that time. You never know until you try. With limited production items if your late to the party the price always goes up.

 

[ssaka]

I tried the cigar and while it was good I would rather spend another $8 and smoke a Padron 26th 40th over the FFP. I found the FFP to be a bit monotone in flavor and it did not really change much throughout the duration of the entire smoke.

On the matter of smoking anything Liga Privada, my decision was just made (by the previous post) that I will NEVER purchase another thing again from this company again. I did not believe that I was getting "ripped off" in price, I just wanted to know if the FFP was worth $17 a stick. After smoking it, I confirmed that it is not but that is my own opinion.

Give me any Padron, Tatuaje, Fuente, or ISOM over the Liga Privada brand any day of the week regardless of price.

My 2 Cents :smokingbo........

Txaggie - fwiw, my post wasn't directed towards you or your original question. You just asked an honest question, the same question all consumers ask every time we make a purchase decision. And it is a decision we all need to make for ourselves. Sorry you took my diatribe as though it was directed toward you - it was not.

And I got no issue with you liking other cigars better and not liking LPs, I have never claimed LPs to be the perfect cigar for everyone. They are perfect for me, but they should be as they are blended specifically to what my personal likes are in a cigar. Cigars are very personal and I have always lived by the adage as a blender, "you should never try to make a cigar that everyone likes, because in doing so you have ultimately created a cigar that no one loves.."

BR,

STS

 

[txaggie9307]

I tried the cigar and while it was good I would rather spend another $8 and smoke a Padron 26th 40th over the FFP. I found the FFP to be a bit monotone in flavor and it did not really change much throughout the duration of the entire smoke.

On the matter of smoking anything Liga Privada, my decision was just made (by the previous post) that I will NEVER purchase another thing again from this company again. I did not believe that I was getting "ripped off" in price, I just wanted to know if the FFP was worth $17 a stick. After smoking it, I confirmed that it is not but that is my own opinion.

Give me any Padron, Tatuaje, Fuente, or ISOM over the Liga Privada brand any day of the week regardless of price.

My 2 Cents :smokingbo........

Txaggie - fwiw, my post wasn't directed towards you or your original question. You just asked an honest question, the same question all consumers ask every time we make a purchase decision. And it is a decision we all need to make for ourselves. Sorry you took my diatribe as though it was directed toward you - it was not.

And I got no issue with you liking other cigars better and not liking LPs, I have never claimed LPs to be the perfect cigar for everyone. They are perfect for me, but they should be as they are blended specifically to what my personal likes are in a cigar. Cigars are very personal and I have always lived by the adage as a blender, "you should never try to make a cigar that everyone likes, because in doing so you have ultimately created a cigar that no one loves.."

BR,

STS

No hard feelings!

 

[TravelingJ]

Well, this thread was worth the cost of admission, at least.

 

[BradMc]

As it has been said before , If U don't like , don't buy, It is ur taste that will open ur wallet to say Yes or No....

Personal: I like the LP, Tats, and many others, So I'm willing to pay for them . I don't expect to pay the price of a Swisher Sweet and get a Tat or LP..... (All tho back in the day I may Have )
I can say I have smoked some really high dollar cigar some were worth it, some weren't . Would I do it again , sure I would, But that is Me......

But I can say this, after going to the Factory and seeing 1st hand what it take to make a Cigar, from Seed to the final Roll, and seeing all the labor that is going into that Cigar that I so much enjoy. It is total amazing to me. It is much easier for me to buy those Higher dollar cigar now because I have seen 1st hand what has gone into my Cigar.....Not that I want to see the price go up on what I smoke, But is it is much easier for me to Understand .......

 

[ssaka]

Nobody wants to see prices go up - it is always a big topic for us on our end, because you always worry that if you raise the price you are going to slow sales. The problem you have is trying to always balance rising costs and it's resulting shrinking margins - I think if you talk to anyone in business, raising prices is always a great concern and not a decision that is made lightly. Nobody wants to "kill" a product that is selling well at the same time you can't ignore the inflationary pressures, eventually you always end up with 3 choices: stop making the product, change the product to make it less expensive to produce or adjust the price. :/

BR,

STS

 

[Cigary43]

Just gave my opinion and not saying that DE is being deceptive...it's a generalized thinking outside the box process. Hey, if you want to pay $50 for those cigars that's your prerogative and at the end of the day that's all it is. Cigars and the cost they are is something that each person has to think about for themselves but I understand more than most folks about product and sales and what the market will bare...if you want to encourage the market and pay $50 for a cigar...enjoy.

Where did I encourage anyone to buy $50 cigars?

I didn't say that you did....this is just a generalized statement for any cigar smoking enthusiast and at the end of their day they can pay as much as they want for any cigar on the market.

Hmmm... wonder what a PR expert would think of my last post?

Let's see:

Called a potential Customer Stupid - check
Called a potential Customer Moronic - check
Used Foul Language - check
Told all Customers that prices with go up - check
Told a potential Customer to not buy their product - check

Hmmm... bet my "Q" rating really sucks. <snicker>

BR,

STS
'stop your bellyaching and just don't buy the damn thing'

I smoke enough cigars including DE as well as many other brands and if I had any salesman say what you did they'd be in the unemployment line the very next day. While you may be 'kidding/joking' around or maybe even being 100% honest....the business you represent should be handled with at least some type of professionalism.

 

[txaggie9307]

Just gave my opinion and not saying that DE is being deceptive...it's a generalized thinking outside the box process. Hey, if you want to pay $50 for those cigars that's your prerogative and at the end of the day that's all it is. Cigars and the cost they are is something that each person has to think about for themselves but I understand more than most folks about product and sales and what the market will bare...if you want to encourage the market and pay $50 for a cigar...enjoy.

Where did I encourage anyone to buy $50 cigars?

I didn't say that you did....this is just a generalized statement for any cigar smoking enthusiast and at the end of their day they can pay as much as they want for any cigar on the market.

Hmmm... wonder what a PR expert would think of my last post?

Let's see:

Called a potential Customer Stupid - check
Called a potential Customer Moronic - check
Used Foul Language - check
Told all Customers that prices with go up - check
Told a potential Customer to not buy their product - check

Hmmm... bet my "Q" rating really sucks. <snicker>

BR,

STS
'stop your bellyaching and just don't buy the damn thing'

I smoke enough cigars including DE as well as many other brands and if I had any salesman say what you did they'd be in the unemployment line the very next day. While you may be 'kidding/joking' around or maybe even being 100% honest....the business you represent should be handled with at least some type of professionalism.

Even though the comment was not directed towards me, I still agree with what he said.

 

[Romulus Cogswell]

I smoke enough cigars including DE as well as many other brands and if I had any salesman say what you did they'd be in the unemployment line the very next day. While you may be 'kidding/joking' around or maybe even being 100% honest....the business you represent should be handled with at least some type of professionalism.

Clearly, he is aware of that. Some people on here are just waiting for a chance to pick apart comments and throw a red flag at anyone that gets under their very thin skin. Saka can make 195 posts about his respect for the industry and consumers, goodwill towards mankind, or saving kittens from a tree but those posts are ignored in favor of crying about 2 they don't like.

 

[Killswitch]

Perspective...I went with my wife to the movies and suffered for over 2 hours watching actors sing about being homeless in France back before running water and toilets. Movie was brutal, food was expensive, but my wife and I had a few hours without kids and I would do it all over again tomorrow. Millions loved the movie, everyone I know recommended it to us. I am not going to blame Anne Hathaway, Russel Crow, or the French and there stupid revolution because Popcorn and a Soda is $17. And I am surely not going to go on a forum board and post that I will never see a movie again with any one of those actors in it.

Cigars are the same...I personally think the FFP is worth $17, the next guy maybe not, but good or bad enjoy the experience for what it is.

 

[xFreebirdx]

Steve Saka? It all was well said. Don't ever change!

 

[mistaforty]

Even as a business owner I would've thought we all were off the record and informal here. There still is a line and I don't think given this stage that Steve was anywhere near that line. In a different setting or an "on the clock" event such a response to a FORMAL customer complaint ...then that response, had it been directed at anyone, would/could be deemed inappropriate.

 

[DSTEW]

I enjoy how everything ssaka posts is greeted with one of only 2 reactions:
1) unashamed/schoolgirl crush level ass kissing
OR
2) complete "FU, I will never buy anything LP again".

Keep it up brother.

 

[apaniagua]

I enjoy how everything ssaka posts is greeted with one of only 2 reactions:
1) unashamed/schoolgirl crush level ass kissing
OR
2) complete "FU, I will never buy anything LP again".

Keep it up brother.

Lol...took words out of my mouth

 

[CATom]

I enjoy how everything ssaka posts is greeted with one of only 2 reactions:
1) unashamed/schoolgirl crush level ass kissing
OR
2) complete "FU, I will never buy anything LP again".

Keep it up brother.

Mr Saka probably has more bromance here than he'd care to know...