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Craig Mac

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I was under the impression that Liga products had some kind of regulations put forth by DE that they couldn't be sold under a certain price point. I thought I remembered seeing that quote from Saka himself on another board. Of course I could be insane or full of shit. But I was under the impression that this is one of the main reasons that you don't see them on Joes Jam anymore or discounted more than 10%. Does anyone else know anything about this so this just doesn't come off as the lunatic ravings of a crazy mind.
Yup, maximum allowable discount on Liga Privada is 10%.

Keep in mind, with UF-13s, Dirty Rats, and Casa Cubas stores often only get one box, and they often have to put through an order of a lot of Ligas or Fuentes just to get access to those HTFs. It ends up costing them a good amount of money to get that one box. So, I understand why they overcharge for the HTFs. Also, if they only get one box then they're not making a lot of profit off one box of 20 cigars. They're trying to pay their bills just like anyone else.
I don't necessarily agree with that. Sure they may only get one box here and there. As you said, to get some of these they have to order a bunch of regular product. If you are selling enough to get them, then you don't need to gouge 1 or 2 boxes, that little tiny bump in profit will do more to hurt your reputation than anything else. You said "it takes a lot of money to get that one box", when in fact the stores make a lot of money before getting that one box. HTF cigars aren't the ones keeping the doors open of most shops, the core lines are.
 
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Usually prices that high are a sign that the B&M got the smokes from another retailer at a high price which is frowned upon. Either that or they're charging what people will pay for them, which is also kind of sad.

Whatever the case, I hope they don't complain about how online sales are killing their business.
 

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Keep in mind, with UF-13s, Dirty Rats, and Casa Cubas stores often only get one box, and they often have to put through an order of a lot of Ligas or Fuentes just to get access to those HTFs. It ends up costing them a good amount of money to get that one box. So, I understand why they overcharge for the HTFs. Also, if they only get one box then they're not making a lot of profit off one box of 20 cigars. They're trying to pay their bills just like anyone else.
I don't necessarily agree with that. Sure they may only get one box here and there. As you said, to get some of these they have to order a bunch of regular product. If you are selling enough to get them, then you don't need to gouge 1 or 2 boxes, that little tiny bump in profit will do more to hurt your reputation than anything else. You said "it takes a lot of money to get that one box", when in fact the stores make a lot of money before getting that one box. HTF cigars aren't the ones keeping the doors open of most shops, the core lines are.
well said. fuente nerd that i am, i understand that you buy thirty boxes of something stupid at special times, you get to buy some 858 and hemmi SG, or some odd opi, or something else cool. you have to go deep to get there, BUT if you are trying to get cool fuente, you should already be flipping the magR's, the hemmis, the don carlos, and others. if you are buying just to get at odd stuff, and not flipping regular stuff, you are NOT doing it right.

as an analogue, i like when we get cool bourbon at work, but if i wasn't flipping the well stuff and the regular top shelp on the regular, i couldn't in good conscience spend the owner's money on the HTF shit. and i wouldn't blame them when the sales reps told me to shove off for cherry picking.

to the point, craig is spot on. they should have already made profit on the stuff they bought TO GET TO that stuff, and killing it on the special releases is, to me, dishonest.
 
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My local B/M keystones all his smokes and then adds OTP. Now when he gets the Anejo and Opus he does bump them a bit more than keystone because he'll sell out of them so fast. He also doesn't put them out for display...its for us regulars that will appreciate them. I bought a box and the three other boxes went in 2 days to other regulars. My luck is he only marks them up 80% for me as I help him out around the shop. :)
 
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I cant get any liga here, they just got muwat in and they are breaking up the baitfish cause nobody would buy the whole pack. i buy my accessories from them to help support and singles, but my big purchases are online. Oh and they are tring to raise the smoking age to 21 so i guess soon the state wont recieve any of my tobacco money.
 
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I cant get any liga here, they just got muwat in and they are breaking up the baitfish cause nobody would buy the whole pack. i buy my accessories from them to help support and singles, but my big purchases are online. Oh and they are tring to raise the smoking age to 21 so i guess soon the state wont recieve any of my tobacco money.
Utah sounds like the worst place ever...yes, and I am considering Cleveland when I say that
 
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Even better is we have no smoking laws in public places, I was walking my dog in a park away from everybody else to be nice smoking a cigar and the sheriff was called on me. He told me that I couldnt smoke in the park but if I was on the side walk around the park 6 feet away he couldnt do anything. At least he was nice about it and we talked about guns for 10 minutes before he left.
 

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I wouldn't complain too much, a couple of years ago I went to a store in the Battle Creek area that turned my stomach. Not for their prices, but the humi was full of beetles. The floor was dusty and it smelled musty - that was my first clue. I started looking at cigars and noticed a bunch of holes in the sticks - second clue. I looked throughout the entire humi and almost every box had beetles and it was disgustingly filthy. I just shook my head and left. What a waste.
 
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